From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 22:55:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0041065670 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4168FC14 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so2404498vbb.13 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:55:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nLcsKMjOdIURtrizKTUIM1Y9zGkWaC23F8jLavPNgbg=; b=TXEer10P5i/TwZLPlTo6Fur2BuYRJJssHbeNqoR4+TB2lhHFMOoSVomajN0o7I/CHM 6kYNPZjcRjQOt3GPQs8vojArqbQV+VZtpuGHW1og9G3hbQkysHE7g1r6QzgUlAgg+KTp 6MY+bNQlMz6BV01JnS5KswdSQZoYwY6q2aZJc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.94.33 with SMTP id cz1mr6611433vdb.132.1326840900148; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:55:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.36.5 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:55:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> <20120117010239.GA29529@richh-imac.office.boxdice.com.au> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:55:00 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r71ycYtwOkdjHtrxy5J7GNmoJj0 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Igor Mozolevsky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: richo , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, WBentley@futurecis.com, William Bentley Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:55:01 -0000 On 16 January 2012 18:21, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On 17 January 2012 01:02, richo wrote: > >> This would be a different argument if all the devs were paid a salary. > > Isn't this a bit of a cyclical argument: developers don't work because > they are not paid a salary, the end-user base shrinks, BigCo doesn't > want to pay for someone to put extra work in getting fBSD to do > something that it can get elsewhere (eg Linux), fewer still developers > work on fBSD, end-user base shrinks, BigCo is even more reluctant, > even fewer.... Right, so some people need to stand up and actually push their agenda forward by agreeing to take on (and then completing) contributions towards the project that furthers their goals. OP - if you'd like to see FreeBSD's stable release schedule pushed forward a bit quicker then please, step up and offer to assist. No-one is going to say no. Everyone will appreciate the extra help. Adrian