From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 1 21:38:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F21B2F2D71 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10007ea6a2f.b8de1ee3cb36623982a45a1c261dfe3a@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49bT7s4dWvz3Zf7 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 21:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c10007ea6a2f.b8de1ee3cb36623982a45a1c261dfe3a@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1591047530; x=1593639530; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=8Ca9QAndXyfqzsTZ9IS29vHNW2j/rTpFO92dGK7Ik9o=; b=jw3w/gVeKY2f/olbnNj+AgEThlqbtHxw/1v18QbxrZw+TVdUzoTu4GC8F9gmLPR0xKiJfDtTMums3Hkn0yhaHSsVadNx70gjRTUXvcxnfR96lyxSgtMr+RzmgLSc9YEI+O/hONeNv6XdooLZ9fQqAPStR5qnRoNexXZ8+ADTsUU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMTAwMDdlYTZhMmYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:38:39 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:38:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jfs8i-0004x8-Rg; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 22:38:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:38:36 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: Per Hedeland , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse not working after X update Message-Id: <20200601223836.3f170eec7421e733a5de60a1@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200601224147.33d102d6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200531214105.2caed717.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531231731.85ee6d3d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601001117.f7075d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601205659.fac089c3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200601224147.33d102d6.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49bT7s4dWvz3Zf7 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=jw3w/gVe; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c10007ea6a2f.b8de1ee3cb36623982a45a1c261dfe3a@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c10007ea6a2f.b8de1ee3cb36623982a45a1c261dfe3a@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.995]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.931]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c10007ea6a2f.b8de1ee3cb36623982a45a1c261dfe3a@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org, 4250.82.1d4c10007ea6a2f.b8de1ee3cb36623982a45a1c261dfe3a@email-od.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 21:38:50 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 22:41:47 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > Remaining question: Why does X still use VESA? Yep because that's why you're seeing such low performance from glxgears. > And what is that "modesetting" driver that > gets loaded and unloaded? Good question - I thought it was the X end of kms but clearly not since it gets loaded and unloaded for me too and everything driver related is reported as 'intel' in Xorg.0.log. I run with no config at all apart from the kld_list in rc.conf. > X is complicated. Maybe nobody knows. :-) I understood X11R5 well enough to get it going on a box with no TCP stack, no shared memory support and no streams or sockets[guess first then see 1] - also a development environment where make had a line length limit too short for several of the Makefiles. I did cheer when an X appeared and followed the mouse, even more when I tortured the 1MB video card into giving me the resolution I wanted. The current iteration of Xorg and DRI/DRM is mostly black magic to me, but when it cooperates it is impressive. [1] Pseudo TTY pairs for client/server transport - and only one half of that code was written, I had to write the other half. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith