From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 2:42:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from seismo.de.uu.net (seismo.de.uu.net [192.76.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A041D37B71C; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uerdelho@django.de.uu.net) Received: from seismo.de.uu.net (localhost.de.uu.net [127.0.0.1]) by seismo.de.uu.net (5.5.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18953; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:42:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from django.de.uu.net (django.de.uu.net [195.126.111.48]) by seismo.de.uu.net (5.5.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18916; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:42:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from uerdelho@localhost) by django.de.uu.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA28078; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:42:07 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:42:07 +0000 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010316104207.H24155@django.de.uu.net> References: <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315023806.B46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010315200337.N83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315210350.A1113@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010315210350.A1113@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:03:50PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:03:50PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:03:37PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 02:38:06AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > If you've submitted stuff to the -doc list before and not had any fee= dback > > > then I'm sorry, but sometimes that's how things work. > >=20 > > Yeah, that's what I told myself the first time a month's work went down > > the drain. I still believed it the second time. By the third time, I to= ok > > the hint and stopped doing it. >=20 > As already noted, you seem to have > a good record of getting PRs committed. That's no big surprise because I've learned to cheat: Find a committer, pester him until he agrees to the proposed change, do the work, submit the PR and voila, no more working for the trash can. No, that's not the correct way to do things. To answer your question: One of the trash can jobs was an answer to a request in the Documentation Project Primer; two more were submitted as a PR and rotted with a committer until somebody else needed the work for a private project - PR was committed as a side effect after something like 7 months. The rest was done after discussion on this lists, taken up by committers and never heard of again. > I am also *not* about to start pulling out stuff committed by other > people because I don't have the time to go through it in detail. This is an ... intresting statement; especially in combination with your remarks about 'following up with Alex'. As of right now, I'm really glad that we have a local repository and an established alternative location of the FAQ. > I'm not the only person on this list, and my occasional inabilities to > reply to everyone I want to is in no way a barrier to anyone else on the > list replying and offering constructive comment. See below. > "Interesting idea, but I don't have the time to look at it right now, > please come back when I do" is also not going to encourage people to > contribute. If I have nothing constructive to add I try and stay away > from the topic until I can. If the discussion is on the list, that's one thing. If it's a mail to you, a "Interesting, must look at it later" is way better than silence. In this spirit I'll refrain from comments about the bibliography issue. It's quite clear (to me, at least ;->) that we should agree to disagree on this subject. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages; right now I'm resting my case on the point that existing code is one of the better arguments :-> /s/Udo --=20 Udo Erdelhoff, Internet Engineer, Server & Service Management EMEA Mail: , Phone: +49-231-972-1450, Fax: +49-231-972-1180 UUNet Deutschland GmbH, a WorldCom Company -- http://www.de.uu.net/ --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQCVAwUBOrHt/UPoh1XnT6hxAQHS+wP+OT86wpPThbfwswDYiwgpqv6OXB0iO/+J cfYK91vRceO3TGdvXfEP7nJ2HE2a8vxE28kSPXcKjL6HILEOWizaHdUiTiKSq/um YODgoFXBUMlE6vNZPLREFikyxHGRGcG3dtL48VxsIb7bUQk4GqKcLxhLCX1u9XPf 97wrm2HVINc= =kxi6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message