From owner-freebsd-current Thu Dec 4 06:35:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA25242 for current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current) Received: from wakko.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA25236 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:35:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by wakko.visint.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02174; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:35:12 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:35:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: John Kelly cc: Kevin Day , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 -release ? In-Reply-To: <3488b7a0.46519003@mail.cetlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, John Kelly wrote: > Why is it a shame to lose users who don't pay anything for the > software in the first place? How much money have you donated to the > developers of FreeBSD? You might not care, but maybe it implies that there was actually a better way to do something. I'm talking about long term loss of users here, short term just doesn't count. > >From: "John S. Dyson" > >Let's all try to be kinder and gentler. We all understand that SMP is an > >important feature, but also we shouldn't be inviting people away :-(. > > A FreeBSD developers fund might not be a bad idea. Successful ISPs > who use FreeBSD should be willing to support it. I'm not a FreeBSD > developer, so I have no axe to grind. But I do programming for hire > and recognize the value of my time. Successful ISPs probably count for a large proportion of people contributing back to FreeBSD, either in constructive criticism (even if it's not wanted) or code. [But then I don't work for a succesful ISP, and I've contributed nothing] > The vast majority of non-contributing users would have little right to > complain about features. $39 for a CD-ROM is not a "contribution." Complaints offer opportunities you sound like you treat them as personal attacks. I'd be happy to try to get the management here to pay more for a CD-ROM, but after naming it _FreeBSD_ there's a little bit of a problem with that. Steve. -- Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/