From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 13:43:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5871065672 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Received: from uucp.dinoex.sub.de (uucp.dinoex.sub.de [194.45.71.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C738FC08 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uucp.dinoex.sub.de (uucp@uucp.dinoex.sub.de [194.45.71.2] (may be forged)) by uucp.dinoex.sub.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o97DD69V097865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:13:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Received: from citylink.dinoex.sub.org (uucp@localhost) by uucp.dinoex.sub.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with UUCP id o97DD6YS097864 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:13:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Received: from gate.oper.dinoex.org (gate-e [192.168.98.2]) by citylink.dinoex.sub.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o97D6gFd099779 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:06:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@gate.oper.dinoex.org) Received: from gate.oper.dinoex.org (gate-e [192.168.98.2]) by gate.oper.dinoex.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o97D43JV099471 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:04:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@gate.oper.dinoex.org) Received: (from news@localhost) by gate.oper.dinoex.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id o97D43um099462 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:04:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news) From: pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org (Peter Much) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 12:35:01 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: dread of the bookshelf X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Sender: li-fbsd@citylink.dinoex.sub.org To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: uucp.dinoex.sub.de; Sender-ip: 194.45.71.2; Sender-helo: uucp.dinoex.sub.de; ) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.5 (uucp.dinoex.sub.de [194.45.71.2]); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: ISDN4BSD removal (was: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:43:39 -0000 aka Vadim Goncharov schrieb mit Datum Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:31:46 +0700 in m2n.fbsd.stable: |You do not understand the problem. It is not in notices & volunteers, but |rather in the Project's policy - delete something which could still work. |Personally, I don't use ISDN, so didn't said anything that time, but now, Hi all, at this point I would like to speak up, because I am practically using ISDN4BSD. I just decided to upgrade to RELENG-8, and found out that I cannot. So now I have 1 1/2 years (until 7.3 EOL) to figure out a solution. I will not complain, because I think people here do an incredible good work, and the only very small thing I can contribute is occasional bug reports and sometimes patches. But what I want to say is: It is *NOT TRUE* that the I4B feature has become of limited usefulness today! I am using I4B as an answering machine for my phone-line, with the feature to monitor these calls and to download them as MP3 from anywhere in the world (could even be a web-interface, but I hadn't yet the time to write that). I don't want everybody to know my cellular nr; I don't want to (costly) forward calls to my cellular; but I want to be able to monitor and react on calls nevertheless! This is very easy and very comfortable - and currently I have no idea which other equipment could provide me with such functionality (if any would exist at all). And - my router is running anyway, it doesn't consume extra power when doing this - in fact, I think this is one of the most useful things one can do with a computer that is kept running all the time... So, I am sure my demand for this functionality will continue to exist for an indefinite time into the future, and in fact I am sad. To be honest, I am quite clueless now. Theoretically I do understand the problem with I4B. (Practically I do not understand it, because for me it has nothing to do with networking - I do only use the phone call monitoring/handling.) But staying with 7.3 will cut me off from other improvements/fixes, which I would much enjoy. Anyway, there is another open issue for me: my ISDN adapter card is ISA technology, so I will have to get a PCI type card as soon as I replace the mainboard of that system (which is imminent because it's too slow and too power-consuming - the ISDN being the main reason why I didnt do that already). But maybe, now I should look for some completely different approach? Any clues, ideas, pointers, hints, ressources,... are greatly welcomed!! rgds, PMc