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Date:      Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:08:49 -0500
From:      Chris <redz@redshells.net>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com>, Bill Fumerola <billf@chimesnet.com>, "Jeffrey J. Mountin" <jeff-ml@mountin.net>, security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Displacement of Blame[tm]
Message-ID:  <396EBC81.1C99973C@redshells.net>
References:  <Your message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:44:54 MDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000713214405.04b89ba0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000714004715.04b8bc00@localhost>

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Perhaps we should learn to keep our arguments private instead of including
the whole FreeBSD- Security list in on it  ;P

Brett Glass wrote:

> At 12:38 AM 7/14/2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>
> >Argh.  Not this defense again.
>
> It wasn't a "defense;" it was a rejoinder. Bill was hurling a
> gratuitous insult.
>
> >  Brett, I have to say that it's my true
> >and honest opinion that I've YET to see a single good idea from you.
>
> You seemed to like the idea of starting a BSD track at the O'Reilly
> conference -- after I did it on my own initiative.
>
> >Your ideas, not to put too fine a point on it, tend to be wild flights
> >of hallucinogenic fantasy and are not "good" by any stretch of the
> >imagination.
>
> Now YOU are hurling insults.
>
> >You know those Avis commercials where they show a group of people
> >brainstorming about how to improve the car rental business by renting
> >jet packs to executives or including aromatherapy candles in the back
> >seats?  That's what reading Advocacy and Security has been like
> >lately.  Not a bunch of good ideas well presented, just a bunch of
> >wild ideas presented by our resident wild man, Brett Glass.  Please
> >Brett, learn to recognise your own limitations!
>
> Jordan, while you seem to be good at doing releases and organizing
> development, you have not done well at promoting the platform. In
> fact, you seem to be allergic to serious advocacy and highly
> resistant to new ideas (none of mine have been anywhere near as
> wild as you imply above). Perhaps you should learn to recognize
> YOUR limitations.
>
> --Brett
>
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