From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Feb 11 21:44:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8CF37B401 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1C5fbZ73302; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:41:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:41:37 -0600 (CST) From: Brennan Stehling To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Tony Landells , Bruce Lacey , "[gill]" , Isak Lyberth , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: BSD on macs In-Reply-To: <000801c094b4$c78cee20$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had Darwin installed with just the command-line interface and looked around a bit. I never tried getting X up although I do have the binaries. It is a simple matter of having only one Mac to play on and I typically use my mac to do everything, so a base Darwin system does not help much. I also had the MacOS X beta on an iMac and it was horrible. The GUI was so intense I could see it was slowing down the interface. On a nice G4 that may not be noticable, but I have heard they have sped up the GUI a great deal. There is no reason a GUI for the base OS should take up so much CPU time. It is bad enough running a web browser and an mp3 player, nevermind trying to run a Gnutella client or Adobe/Macromedia software at the same time. But I suppose a sluggish OS will encourage mac users to purchase a faster more expensive Mac computer. The bean counters at Apple probably see that as a plus for them. I see it as another reason I will hope the media capabilities of FreeBSD and Linux both increase. I want to be able to choose which hardware to be my ideal computer, not what Steve Jobs chooses to throw together. I wonder if Adobe and Macromedia will ever see FreeBSD and Linux as a worthwhile platform for them. Brennan Stehling - software developer and system administrator my projects: home.offwhite.net (free personal hosting) www.greasydaemon.com (bsd search) On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Thanks! I don't have a PPC so I haven't been running the betas, > although once it ships I'll be looking around for a used one > in a minimal configuration, and if I can get one for a song I > want to boot it up. > > Now, is it possible to make the system boot into character > mode so as to turn off the GUI completely? > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tony Landells > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:57 PM > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > > Cc: Bruce Lacey; [gill]; Isak Lyberth; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: BSD on macs > > > > > > Unless something has changed since the Public Beta, this isn't true. > > > > You can choose to enable telnet (though they suggest you have it > > disabled if you don't know you want it), and there is a terminal > > tool that gives you a shell. > > > > > Although I understand that /bin/sh isn't part of the > > > distribution - the only way to get at the system is > > > through the gooey. > > > > > > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > > > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > > > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bruce Lacey > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 11:01 AM > > > > To: [gill]; Isak Lyberth > > > > Cc: 'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG' > > > > Subject: Re: BSD on macs > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple's MacOS X, to be released March 24, includes the FreeBSD 3.2 > > > > personality running on the Mach 3.0 kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > on 2/6/01 12:17 PM, [gill] at gill@topsecret.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at NetBSD > > > > > http://www.netbsd.org > > > > > > > > > > --gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > Tony Landells > > Senior Network Engineer Ph: +61 3 9677 9319 > > Australian Clearing Services Pty Ltd Fax: +61 3 9677 9355 > > Level 4, Rialto North Tower > > 525 Collins Street > > Melbourne VIC 3000 > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message