From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 02:30:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECB916A4CE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 720AB43D3F for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.1.225 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:30:31 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <51428.192.168.1.1.1103328273.squirrel@mail.th-allisons.us> <41C38330.5060409@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <41C38330.5060409@nbritton.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412171830.32072.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: mark@the-allisons.us cc: Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:30:32 -0000 On Friday 17 December 2004 05:09 pm, Nikolas Britton wrote: > mark@the-allisons.us wrote: > >I've recently installed FreBSD on a system and I'm working though > > the learning process. > > > >In order to ease the configuration and maintenance issues I > > installed Webmin. > > I am of the opinion that if you want to learn something that you just > dig in and go for it at full bore, (even if you brake it, as this is > a very valuable learning experience in and of itself and one of the > best ways to learn*) not skirt around the issue using some wizard > thingy so you never have to learn it. What happens when your wizard > thingy stops working or brakes your system, what are you going to do > then? > > *This is why I setup test machines and try to brake crap then try to > fix it, If I can't then all I have to do is wipe it clean and start > over. VMware works very well for this. Yes, I agree, and you should probably get used to administration through a shell (command line). I know this can be scary at first, but there is no purpose in delaying getting used to it, because if you're going to run FreeBSD, you have to get used to it. However, like grammar, once you know the rules you can break them, within reason - once you understand how to do it the "hard way," then figure out a way to make it easier, except if doing it the hard way has a purpose (like discouraging mistakes or certain behaviors), or many times you'll discover that what looked like the hard way is actually easier. As an example, at first I used cvsup with the gui, but I found almost immediately that invoking it without the gui from a shell was not only easier and simpler, but it also allowed me to use it within a script so I could run it as a cron job. I still use a gui mailer and run my box for everyday use with a desktop, but I do all administration with shells or without X running at all (and sometimes Mutt and w3m are just fine, instead of KMail and Firefox). FreeBSD is created more as a server than a workstation or general desktop machine, but it works fine for me that way, although the administration of it reflects this distinction. I'm not saying you can't use Webmin, but I'd encourage you to try to admin it the way it's designed before you start adding stuff to it, just so you know what's going on behind that ui. As far as your particular problem, I'm not familiar with Webmin, but you might have to install ssh or something similar to allow remote access with it. That question is probably best asked on the -questions list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions , which is the main tech help list - this is not a tech help list - although you most likely will get a similar response, but perhaps someone does know. - jt