From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 11:47:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2130837B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitblocks.com (bitblocks.com [209.204.185.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A4E43FA3 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from bitblocks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bitblocks.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5LIlIPF092303; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Message-Id: <200306211847.h5LIlIPF092303@bitblocks.com> To: Narvi In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:25:32 +0300." <20030621201747.V24605-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:47:18 -0700 From: Bakul Shah cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FYI: Plan9 open sourced X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:47:20 -0000 > > >I don't think section seven (export control) should appear in a truly free > > >licence. > > > > Why not? It's just a specific instance of the general disclaimer of > > liability found in many licenses, including the BSD and MIT licenses. > > Because without it, a random person outside the US receiving it would > technicaly (ignoring cruise missle diplomacy) not be bound by US export > regulations. By using code under this licence, it is no longer (as far as > that and derived code is concerned) no longer the case. With or without clause 7, if you are in the US, you _are_ bound by its laws including export control regulations. If you are living outside the US, you are _NOT_ bound by US laws. The plan 9 lawyers are simply making this explicit. If from US you shipped a FreeBSD CD with some prohibited bits to North Korea you are in the same trouble regradless of what the FreeBSD license says. Basically all free software (or may be all software) originating in the US is in the same boat. The way I heard it, shipping bits without any crypto (so that cryto bits can be added later) can also run afoul of the law. If true that is truly frightening:-( The irony is that these laws hurt people in the US more than anyone else. Nevertheless, if the license is the *only* reason you are not using plan 9 and you want to influence the license it makes a lot more sense to discuss it with the plan 9 people rather than here. I do think plan 9 has a lot of very useful things that can benefit *BSDs and think that the license is open enough to start using them -- the only reason I brought this up in the first place.