From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 12 11:35:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F812EB36E for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x344.google.com (mail-wm1-x344.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::344]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Lwhm4C7Gz46M1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x344.google.com with SMTP id e26so21338848wmk.5 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 04:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=oIv0e1gJweydxWqFy4gehYdq/Y2FovNZ8UGR7hhjrU8=; b=EIPwSl9GGGyP+Q0iAl0xdEEO9RU547dsxrMeBYDGwsEFNIL7J9hZLa5yd1YQmzA5ZN H1ExAWSAvE90tab7LmVix27kLIm7Th84x4e6aaxbuiuOwtPhS3q+jWa9kGwhN+/4uJoN LGSclPrFmnhhDQQLX7CcK+xTlgivKoUMooN0778iF90hpKqzIe2QYImBX7gUabDsftkw jriG0JKdN2Wdhpz8rxthmleip2ZC6shrkazrfpooO4j2d4UTGe6NJvjVBq4dH+A1o0m4 WlVGuLK4sjnR/PWmEZEAZf9vk3/QArGcnKB7YA6jwP84hAUZMylGPXdoDsVzrtqZGbSX RnxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oIv0e1gJweydxWqFy4gehYdq/Y2FovNZ8UGR7hhjrU8=; b=Mvk9qySsodoxJoH274VkLsQxaDRSRqQ6u6v8Cp7UM6aApPIdQI3B39KIbp3O7i2Qvk ga5kym25qj7ufTHnEelhClx/k1qUjtIJ0BVcefhuPK35+9AaQ0ECyC1Qd/gASNACzIUN S637fYuhF94864BwEz4MGbdlkl423JrMYO2flDahRNxMJ5txvHjbkClWgXs2RFcDmL1g dRLP7FuAhRhNqHl17Qt/WDaXDD+Sg5iEycVVWBpAoNWIRuX1w4MvuVrUdXFYosZTvwZI 5gateOEPWHvrVEi7r6kF+Fck6Qq9QZWoy0qEm+oqDBePAvx9T2RdR3SSe6Bpl/bYvLVd TQuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuY3mWHi057w4aoOj2CzUkFOZYif6pTLGjpw+7LU6JS/+sarFb5G BYeshCl5mDwjlqrDI3twi2DZuYjFarc9UiiwP1XfN2DEcb0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLvPynIrYlnm1I9oijinNjbZcNjOLv2W8hTtiNeDq2gYY2bRcfF1RrnWiBD0l11Fjsx7lJfu9dQqwVUeDR7BMU= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c24b:: with SMTP id b11mr7419196wmj.101.1589283318854; Tue, 12 May 2020 04:35:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200505093624.00001df2@seibercom.net> <223da1b3-a83d-b2e8-36dc-468dcb219305@suszko.eu> <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> In-Reply-To: <64a1fede-6c08-6361-9486-4be4f7db7d0a@suszko.eu> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:35:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft Teams for Linux To: Maciej Suszko Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Lwhm4C7Gz46M1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=EIPwSl9G; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::344) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.05)[ip: (2.51), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.28), asn: 15169(-0.43), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:35:22 -0000 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:13 AM Maciej Suszko wrote: > On 5/8/20 3:23 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > I despise Microsoft.. but Google today switched my meetings from > > Google Hangouts to google Meet.. and NOTHING works anymore on Firefox > > / FreeBSD. By the way this is the outcome of "enforcing changes is the software development according to Microsoft" that I heard around 2008 when some UX moron removed menu from toolbar from GIMP and because "no other program had it that way". Now the same kind of morons removed BGE from Blender. Another moron recently implemented Profile Downgrade Protection in Firefox, the dirtiest of dirty corporate tricks, that effectively prevents you from using your own data in this Open-Source software so you cannot roll back to a version that does not have a nasty bug that breaks videoconferencing distrurbing your everyday work. > Few weeks ago I used Google Hangouts on Firefox on my FreeBSD desktop > and everything worked out of the box, it's sad it's all moving towards > one and only operating system. In the past it was a lot easier to run > Linux stuff using linux compat layer, nowadays I feel it's impossible in > most cases... Wine always had problems as far as I remember, so I bet on > linuxulator :) Google at least (still) stands for and develops Open-Source. This recent bug we have identified as Firefox bug that breaks all videoconferencing. But the solution is out there already created in just two days :-) https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=246363 > Going back to Temas, which I need to use at work as it's our official > communication platform - I can make it up to choppy sound in some > situations but not working microphone is no go, I wonder what's the > problem and how to debug that. I noticed the same issues with Zoom, maybe the cause is similar. I found it working in Chromium. The camera support in Chromium showed up recently. For audio I had to recompile Chromium with PulseAudio support. The sketchy sound may be the last problem to solve here and some codecs may need to be fine-tuned :-) I would also report that issue to the MS and see what their real support for Open-Source is :-) And from another message below to keep it compact :-) > The question is why "all" the providers do not want to support FreeBSD, For me the FreeBSD is the only real open-source and standards validator because if something works here it is really free and works everywhere else :-) > is it really such a nightmare to compile some source and give a binary > to people? No, the sources should be always available to the people and work out of the box :-) We do not accept binary blobs here this is another evil approach to control you and its not Open-Source at all if you cannot see the code and compile it yourself from scratch :-) > Maybe we need to have some sort of developer toolkit for > software providers, to make their life easier building stuff for FreeBSD. Yes its called POSIX, BSD, GNU, its already out there for tens of years available for free :-) Have a good day Maciej :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info