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Gotta respond here... :)

Ihave 9 livingston PM2 and PM3 boxes and have periodic lock ups after
about 30 days... We make it a point to reboot them every other sunday
now...

I like my Cisco 4500's and 2501's and 5200 Dial in boxes...

The Ascend boxes have a ton of fetures but support is a bit less than
desired.. (However they just sent me 6 K56Flex modems for each of the 13
pops where I have Ascend deployed.

--Matt

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Suresh Rajagopalan wrote:

> I'll have to speak up for Livingston here -- we use them all
> the time for customer equipment and also dial in access, and
> while opinions on the admin interface are subjective, I have
> never seen a single box crash.
> 
> 
> 
> > To use a car analogy, Cisco basically produces the Cadillacs of the
> > router world whereas Livingston makes Yugos and Ascend makes VWs. :-)
> > Not everyone needs, wants or can afford a Cadillac, but many of those
> > features are nice to have if you're going to drive a car at all.
> > Similarly, the "VW" is cheap but of reasonably good quality and the
> > Yugo, well, you buy one of those when cost is the #1 consideration and
> > you are resigned to the fact that it'll be no fun to drive and also
> > perhaps spend some amount of time by the side of the road, waiting for
> > the tow-truck. :-)
> > 
> 
>