From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 12 18:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F58416A40F for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:59:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C662043D45 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:59:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8CIx4du041116; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:59:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from mdt-xp.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k8CIx4tW051622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:59:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060912144758.171c0c38@sentex.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:59:04 -0400 To: Karl Denninger , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <20060912141547.GA11713@FS.denninger.net> References: <20060909173813.GA1388@FS.denninger.net> <45065C67.6040503@cs.tu-berlin.de> <20060912141547.GA11713@FS.denninger.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:59:08 -0000 At 10:15 AM 9/12/2006, Karl Denninger wrote: >On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:06:15AM +0200, Bj?rn K?nig wrote: > > Karl Denninger schrieb: > > > > >This is not cool folks. > > > > I think you misunderstood what -STABLE means. (Or maybe I do?) > > > > -STABLE is still a development branch without guarantee of a stable and > > working operating system. -STABLE guarantees that interfaces remain > > stable. If you want reliability then jump from release to release. > > > > Regards > > Bj?rn > >You've never been able to get reliability by jumping from release to release, I think FreeBSD does not work for everyone with every setup, but works really well for some number of people. For me, I am in b). In fact it works really well for me and the some 250 boxes I look after of varying age and configs... There have been some unfortunate bugs, but I take that as part of what FreeBSD is-- a volunteer project. If FreeBSD releases have *never* worked for you (I will take your word you are not being childish and exaggerating here), why on earth are you using FreeBSD ? Also, what are you comparing FreeBSD to, where the RELEASE works for everyone out of the box for ever and ever ? You cant mean Windows, as they release monthly updates-- some of which after having gone through tens of thousands of dollars of regression testing (FreeBSD does not have an army of employees to do planned regression testing let alone tens of thousands of dollars), and manage to introduce BIGGER bugs than they were fixing like they did last month with Win2k. You cant mean LINUX as they seem to be doing a kernel a month (or more) recently. Which OS are you talking about that is so perfect from release to release ? ---Mike