From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 20 17:25:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE7D16A4CE for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:25:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (h204-247-59-114.ncal.verio.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BCE43D5A for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:25:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.55.105] ([192.168.55.105]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:25:17 -0800 Message-ID: <41C70AFD.9000609@finnovative.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:25:17 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <51428.192.168.1.1.1103328273.squirrel@mail.th-allisons.us> <41C38330.5060409@nbritton.org> <200412171830.32072.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200412171830.32072.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2004 17:25:17.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFE2F320:01C4E6B8] Subject: Re: Webmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:25:18 -0000 Joshua Tinnin wrote: >On Friday 17 December 2004 05:09 pm, Nikolas Britton > wrote: > > >>mark@the-allisons.us wrote: >> >> >>>I've recently installed FreBSD on a system and I'm working though >>>the learning process. >>> >>>In order to ease the configuration and maintenance issues I >>>installed Webmin. >>> >>> >>I am of the opinion that if you want to learn something that you just >>dig in and go for it at full bore, (even if you brake it, as this is >>a very valuable learning experience in and of itself and one of the >>best ways to learn*) not skirt around the issue using some wizard >>thingy so you never have to learn it. What happens when your wizard >>thingy stops working or brakes your system, what are you going to do >>then? >> >>*This is why I setup test machines and try to brake crap then try to >>fix it, If I can't then all I have to do is wipe it clean and start >>over. VMware works very well for this. >> >> > >Yes, I agree, and you should probably get used to administration through >a shell (command line). I know this can be scary at first, but there is >no purpose in delaying getting used to it, because if you're going to >run FreeBSD, you have to get used to it. However, like grammar, once >you know the rules you can break them, within reason - once you >understand how to do it the "hard way," then figure out a way to make >it easier, except if doing it the hard way has a purpose (like >discouraging mistakes or certain behaviors), or many times you'll >discover that what looked like the hard way is actually easier. As an >example, at first I used cvsup with the gui, but I found almost >immediately that invoking it without the gui from a shell was not only >easier and simpler, but it also allowed me to use it within a script so >I could run it as a cron job. I still use a gui mailer and run my box >for everyday use with a desktop, but I do all administration with >shells or without X running at all (and sometimes Mutt and w3m are just >fine, instead of KMail and Firefox). FreeBSD is created more as a >server than a workstation or general desktop machine, but it works fine >for me that way, although the administration of it reflects this >distinction. I'm not saying you can't use Webmin, but I'd encourage you >to try to admin it the way it's designed before you start adding stuff >to it, just so you know what's going on behind that ui. > >As far as your particular problem, I'm not familiar with Webmin, but you >might have to install ssh or something similar to allow remote access >with it. That question is probably best asked on the -questions list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions , which is >the main tech help list - this is not a tech help list - although you >most likely will get a similar response, but perhaps someone does know. > >- jt >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hey can I jump in. :-) I am totally of the faith that one should learn the command line way. However, there's nothing like a graphical interface that can bring many concepts together, as well as expose the user to new concepts. I am a right-side thinker (er or was that left side), and I understand things visually and abstractually. I started on Mac OS 6 (System 6), migrated to Windows platforms, and now I am a big time advocate of open source and love UNIX. :-) I couldn't have gotten here if it wasn't for the GUIs (some good some bad) that exposed me to many concepts. Once, I know the concept(s) and I merely ask, How do I do that on platform X... I hope that there can always be the best of both worlds, both a great UI, but excellent under-the-hood configuration through text config files.