From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 27 03:26:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7154E106566C; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA5B8FC0A; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C2E435619E; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:26:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:26:16 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: Mark Blackman Message-ID: <20120127032616.GB32500@lonesome.com> References: <201201260937.47448.jhb@freebsd.org> <6D5F6ECE-5966-4849-AFDC-7F385E2CE906@exonetric.com> <201201261322.29688.jhb@freebsd.org> <20120126224921.GA26109@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:18:38 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd , Mark Saad , John Baldwin Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:26:17 -0000 On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:52:44PM +0000, Mark Blackman wrote: > I suspect poor old RE is putting too much work into BETAs and RCs for > point releases. The counter-argument is that we have a lot more leeway to make mistakes on a .0 release. We're not going to be cut any slack at all for shipping a badly regressed point release. Some minor regressions are inevitable in software, but they do indeed need to be minor. For how we're doing with regressions in general, see: http://people.freebsd.org/~linimon/studies/prs/prs_for_tag_regression.html Now, it's true that many of the recent PRs are against 9.0, and many of the ones that aren't may be stale (certainly most of the pre-2010 ones), but these are the types of things that users really notice and become unhappy about. mcl