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Date:      Mon, 8 Aug 2016 02:01:59 +0300
From:      Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>
To:        Xin Li <delphij@delphij.net>, Warner Losh <wlosh@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        d@delphij.net, Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com>, Bruce Simpson <bms@fastmail.net>, Oliver Pinter <oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org>, =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=c3=b8rgrav?= <des@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Security Team <secteam@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Release Engineering Team <re@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r303716 - head/crypto/openssh
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From: Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>
To: Xin Li <delphij@delphij.net>, Warner Losh <wlosh@bsdimp.com>
Cc: d@delphij.net, Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com>,
 Bruce Simpson <bms@fastmail.net>,
 Oliver Pinter <oliver.pinter@hardenedbsd.org>,
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 src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org,
 svn-src-head@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Security Team <secteam@freebsd.org>,
 FreeBSD Release Engineering Team <re@freebsd.org>
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Subject: Re: svn commit: r303716 - head/crypto/openssh
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On 08.08.2016 1:48, Xin Li wrote:
> Well, despite the fact that I have to admit that I get locked out from
> my own storage box too, however (even without wearing any hat) I am for=

> the change and would blame myself for being lazy in adopting the change=

> when the upstream have announced it earlier about a year ago.
>=20
> Compatibility with legacy software/hardware, sure, but if we don't stop=

> at some point, it would be like SSL 2.0 which people have pointed out
> several flaws in 1995 and take 16 years to get deprecated and still bit=
e
> people in 2014.
>=20
> We should do something like what OpenSSH have done by creating a page
> describing the motivation, the impact, the temporary but discouraged
> workaround, etc., and mention it in the release notes to prevent people=

> from being bite.

I agree. I am not seeking hardly, stopping after first solution, but at
least one workaround found: using security/putty port. It still supports
all obsoleted stuff. One disadvantage: in terminal mode it requires X11.




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