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FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7QNOi5JD8n3r5Jt3gG055VKjvQ5gJ2uQS" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 13:40:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7QNOi5JD8n3r5Jt3gG055VKjvQ5gJ2uQS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="7oB9nYUuY2olTVgSIgCh6g6MtF5f1G6Au"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marek Zarychta To: Stefan Bethke Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2e3b7f9e-9aeb-06d5-ba8c-00a4237df7e7@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 12 and Nocona References: In-Reply-To: --7oB9nYUuY2olTVgSIgCh6g6MtF5f1G6Au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: pl W dniu 03.01.2019 o=C2=A014:13, Stefan Bethke pisze: >> I have under supervision a few old servers running 11.2-STABLE. The >> hardware is almost for retirement, but still in working condition. It'= s >> all old Nocona NetBurst microarchitecture. I have recently tried do >> upgrade OS two of them to 12.0-STABLE, but failed. When I use old >> bootloader the boot freezes on blue highlighted "Booting" stage, when = I >> tried to use 12 loader, it freezes earlier, on loading kernel modules.= >> The kernel was compiled from fresh sources for CPUTYPE?=3Dnocona. >> 11.2-STABLE is fine with this optimization and the same kernel boots >> fine on newer hardware. >> >> It is fair, that 11 EOL is expected September 30, 2021 and these serve= rs >> will likely be retired before this date, but some questions arise: >> >> Is such old hardware still supported? Is it possible (how to) debug th= e >> booting process? > The first step is to try with known-good bits: can you boot these machi= nes off the 12.0 ISO or memstick images? Can you load your kernel and mod= ules with the loader from the ISO/memstick? Does GENERIC built without an= y flags work? > > If any of these don=E2=80=99t work, try to be as specific as possible w= hen reporting problems. For example, the exact make of mainboard (kenv ou= tput) and the BIOS version, and any relevant BIOS settings are likely imp= ortant for problems regarding the loader. If the kernel and modules load,= you can try a verbose boot to see better how far the kernel gets. > > I=E2=80=99d be really surprised if the CPUs themselves would cause trou= ble. > Thank you for the informative reply. 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