From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 10 16:14:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54C716A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.itga.com.au (ns1.itga.com.au [202.53.40.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765F643D3F for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:14:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns1.itga.com.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2B0E1R5034517; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:14:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17110; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:14:01 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200403110014.LAA17110@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: "Kevin Oberman" In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:07:37 -0800. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:14:01 +1100 Sender: gnb@itga.com.au cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Manfred Lotz Subject: Re: unexpected softupdate inconsistency X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:14:08 -0000 oberman@es.net said: > emacs and XEmacs dired has been able to manipulate directories for as > ling as I've been around. I assume that they DO use the standard > system calls. (This includes vim, which I don't use.) True. I use dired a bit. There are also gui Windows Explorer or Norton Commander workalikes that also presumably use the same system calls. The key phrase here is "What does vim do here _that rm doesn't_?" If vim is also just using unlink() then rm can (theoretically) do the job just as well. It seems like really odd advice to say "use vim because rm can't do the job." If this were in any way true, then I'd call that a serious bug in rm.