From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Aug 1 08:22:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA20097 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20080 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA25748; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:16:31 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608011516.KAA25748@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Question about Cisco 2503i price To: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:16:31 -0500 (CDT) Cc: dennis@etinc.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199608010306.XAA05782@whizzo.transsys.com> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at Jul 31, 96 11:06:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >The 2503i is a mission critical version, it directly includes the software, > > >which disables the serial port. You can later buy the full version ($1200 > > >list price) to upgrade and use the serial ports. > > > > Does that include the (required) memory upgrade? > > > > So your talking $3000. for a box with 2 serial ports, an ISDN connection > > and a '386-speed processor? Eeek! > > Two T1 ports, ISDN, support for T1 PPP, Cisco HDLC, Frame Relay and > SMDS. Packet filtering. OSPF, RIP, RIP-2, EIGRP, BGP routing > protocols (if you need them). Look at the 2524 which has provisions > for integral 56K DDS or T1 CSU/DSUs to further reduce the system cost. > > Plus, you can plug it in and it works. No interrupt vectors, dma > channels to fool with. Small package. Only a fan for moving parts, > and no fsck. > > Not everyone is willing to spend a lot of time integrating a box when > you can essentially buy an appliance off the shelf which does a better > job. Are we going to start this whole discussion again? Yes, I agree, the FreeBSD box does a better job. Guys, take it to -chat or -isp, where people either don't give a rip or don't give a rip, respectively. Point for point, you can match Ciscos and FreeBSD boxes, it's simply a matter of which colored glasses you put on. Louis will never admit that a small amount of effort would yield a FreeBSD router that could outperform a Cisco in terms of performance and reliability, and still have no moving parts, because Louis is an "out of the box" bigot. Dennis will take the opposing viewpoint.. So, puh-leeze, let's not get into this again... both sides are right, from a certain point of view. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968