From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 3 02:00:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03335C5E for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 02:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from army.of.root@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-x22e.google.com (mail-bk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8724524C9 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2013 02:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id e11so204169bkh.19 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:00:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h9VU0zR0OIkNOWWkSRy+o680jx1TLcdVFJRfKKwQC0E=; b=fT23mh7JAmMKSaCja2VIS5kww9oyCly7CPemO8ehzyAAP/FVq0Ko+6J+mXVJ9eU/2h VqkpDdbn93j6/xzab4Z3NaaNsqZ5CM/KBIHGpWG4vM1QPW51OnJv05bzyynmaZsj/ehD se++9pIqdLQO2Tw4E5Hto8k5+TeEkbXo7u4uGDRPQK2YyoD4SgUFq4+nbn87n/WMPbXt dRabqq5FG72l9SE8FCmNcm9FY3m0pRFBdWuUX65taDE5nhASACAI1afiDe5G4+L9MUzU E68AgBP6LFdL8w9sDhqU5C/IP72qwYaeWKMHDufMntipMw6Z6KtaYcKQiTn5ooUjIxL/ fpUQ== X-Received: by 10.204.228.198 with SMTP id jf6mr22979bkb.41.1383444033248; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.local (p4FFFEC74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [79.255.236.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pn6sm10299169bkb.14.2013.11.02.19.00.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5275AE40.3040307@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:00:32 +0100 From: "army.of.root" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-current Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Binary Packages now available for pkgng References: <5271BC11.1010303@FreeBSD.org> <5272D0DE.4080209@FreeBSD.org> <52745B7F.2080608@vangyzen.net> <5274B947.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <1680682c-dc77-4ee3-8e59-ee7356f307a3@email.android.com> <5274D90D.8040508@FreeBSD.org> <20131102113750.GG2951@home.opsec.eu> <5274EFD6.6030504@FreeBSD.org> <0F068420-0A1C-4605-90A8-0D1C1120F222@FreeBSD.org> <157EAEE9-A373-44B1-B50A-080FBD76C593@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <157EAEE9-A373-44B1-B50A-080FBD76C593@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:27:08 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 02:00:36 -0000 Am 02/11/13 23:19, schrieb Mark Felder: > > On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> A lot of HTTP infrastructure lives on anycast DNS, HTTP redirects and >> geoip records. Saying it's broken and not feasible is nonsense. > > More specifically what I was referring to was the fact that traditionally HTTP failover with round-robin A records is very unreliable; every client can act differently. You really need to be doing anycast as well to ensure those records are always available which adds additional architecture complexity that the project may not have the resources to throw at. GeoDNS also adds a layer of complexity, but as it turns out there are members of the project with extensive experience running it. SRV would give us very simple, cheap, reliable failover. It seems we do have some blockers, though. > > The good news is that we fully control the client. Hopefully we can just work around these issues. Hi, I like green better than purple! Everybody is just rationalizing their positions with great sophistication. I think the new behavior is a POLA violation. I was pretty annoyed when i could not browse the given URL. And this will probably result in lots of wasted time for admins, becuase we are doing it differently from everybody else. Everybody else is doing pretty fine with the status quo. There should be a better reason than the listed to "roll our own". - With this threshold, we could also start to replace (smtp, http, dns, pam, posix ....). [*cough* systemd] I am not a FreeBSD developer, so see it as the opinion of a non-paying consumer :) Thanks for pkg-ng, its awesome so far!