Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:08:29 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <gcooper@FreeBSD.org> To: Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org> Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> Subject: Re: Linux kernel compatability Message-ID: <AANLkTinq40ZVfGJKDxjEXPH2oesu=Mk7Mv_mzQ6mRc5R@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1101052149080.11613@sea.ntplx.net> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1101031017110.1450@desktop> <20110103220153.69cf59e0@kan.dnsalias.net> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1101031859290.1450@desktop> <20110104082252.45bb5e7f@kan.dnsalias.net> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1101041030120.1450@desktop> <20110105124045.6a0ddd1a@kan.dnsalias.net> <20110105175926.GA2101@vniz.net> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1101051413070.1450@desktop> <D3E4F3D4-55FD-48B5-B175-CF152B9B3AE4@samsco.org> <20110106024403.GB22349@vniz.net> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1101052149080.11613@sea.ntplx.net>
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org> wrote=
:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2011, Andrey Chernov wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 05:17:21PM -0700, Scott Long wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have not been marginalized in this space because we have an emulato=
r.
>>>> We just don't have the marketshare in many areas. =A0If anything, thes=
e
>>>> emulators improve our marketshare.
>>>
>>> I agree entirely. =A0Companies look at marketshare and ability to turn =
more
>>> revenue than costs (i.e. profit). =A0Like Jeff, I've had my share of de=
aling
>>> with companies who have made a conscious to support or not support Free=
BSD
>>> based on those factors. =A0Petitions and letters sound great on Slashdo=
t, but
>>> don't work in the real world. =A0Emulation increases marketshare.
>>
>> Emulation decreases our marketshare, presenting us like
>> not-so-good-but-trying Linux clone, so, for this reason alone, every
>> serious company will put its money on Linux product running on real Linu=
x
>> instead of thinking about porting it into FreeBSD.
>
> Has anyone asked, instead of putting Linux shims into FreeBSD,
> why aren't FreeBSD shims put into Linux? =A0If the FreeBSD ABI/KPI
> is supposedly more stable than Linux, then wouldn't it make
> more sense to do it that way?
>
> And I suppose part of the answer to that question is, it would
> not be acceptible to the Linux folks.
Pretty sure it's because many hardcore Linux folks don't like the
BSD license (and the fact that it's business friendly, i.e. closed
source drivers are ok?). The OSS soundsystem was a prime example of
what happens when code that's BSD licensed gets put in the Linux
kernel (well, ok... there were other reasons but as I was reading that
was a big source of contention with the Linux crowd and that system,
despite the fact that it was better than ALSA for a long time, and is
still better in some ways [1]).
-Garrett
1. http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/?p=3D5
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