From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 30 15:41:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4496106566C; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (kozubik.com [69.43.165.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75268FC1D; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m5UG5n5I091457; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:05:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by kozubik.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id m5UG5mZu091453; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <4868FB2F.7010204@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20080630085612.G1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080628132632.R1807@kozubik.com> <864p7bw387.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080630073539.U1807@kozubik.com> <4868FB2F.7010204@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, =?UTF-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= Subject: Re: It's 2008. 1 TB disk drives cost $160. Quotas are 32-bit. X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:41:53 -0000 On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Kris Kennaway wrote: > However, quota support is not in the core feature set of most > developers, or dare I say most users. > > Likewise, you may be surprised to hear what kind of "peripheral" > features other users and developers consider to be "core". For me, ZFS > has become a core feature, even though to you it's merely a "shiny > bauble". I am sure we can point to most systems in FreeBSD and find a > user somewhere who considers it to be an indispensible, "core feature". That point is well taken. However, regardless of the adoption rate, I _do_ believe that there is still a qualitative difference between quotas and, for instance, ZFS - in terms of "coreness". I believe this because of the historical presence of this functionality and the reasonable expectation that it represents a basic function of a unix-based OS (not just FreeBSD). This may change. It may, as you say, be changing as we speak. That is why I regret not speaking up years ago when the bigdisk "progress" page was still only a minor embarrassment. That is also why I have offered funds for the work.