From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 00:12:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842C0106566B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630918FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from [10.66.240.106] (public-wireless.sv.svcolo.com [64.13.135.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m8N0CBaa016557 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.033 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.033 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=0.407] Message-Id: <1E49BF55-D408-4E84-8E32-19D5112D89FB@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <48D81476.4050309@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:12:05 -0700 References: <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <15F15FD1-3C53-4018-8792-BC63289DC4C2@netconsonance.com> <448wtpcikb.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <34C3D54B-C88C-4C36-B1FE-C07FC27F8CB5@netconsonance.com> <20080920020703.GA82392@phat.za.net> <851F09A2-788D-4343-9E00-A0AB5C3AC063@netconsonance.com> <20080920044148.GA60230@in-addr.com> <48D81476.4050309@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:12:13 -0000 On Sep 22, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > I'd also like to point out that there is another chicken-egg problem > that has been glossed over in this thread. You have said many times > that > it's hard for a company to devote resources to testing a given release > candidate without knowing in advance how long that release will be > supported. Several people (including Robert, who is part of the > release > team) have said that we can't make a firm conclusion on how long a > given > release will be supported until we have a pretty good idea how > "successful" a given release will be, which requires people actually > testing and using it. Do you see the problem? Yes, I do. And I'm confused as to why the release cycle is structured to keep this problem going. This is your own chicken and egg, and it's a fairly easy one to solve. Nobody else is creating the chicken and egg for FreeBSD, it's being created by the existing policy. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness