From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Sep 2 18:50:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAA93C4FEA for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound5a.ore.mailhop.org (outbound5a.ore.mailhop.org [44.233.67.66]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BhY0l43q0z43fV for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:50:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1599072624; cv=none; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; b=SBFzGV74zGi6BFCuSEsbp50993A1ctHUEDxPpMA+lW9Ab2rDGe1T7biIEqfx0z1ahsPgqLNWIVPfS 4ybEHY5qLXUx0GxV1P67Mht2XXX6T4uzFLawz1Unzy6bb5aP1ZCp0YONtVB1uVXWylyrD4XCpvyfU1 byymoEOoARangfZQtI00IQGlD6k2/NOKxOwUhYaVY8+ik8LGw4Axydh8NAe02XLSu2Z4Dl2m5C6ieH O8HzLUjtks//3256JyPo00cYaH536VYyY/gNaqqacElPgnP4bESAf6TndfDFj0Fwp8fDUDia8PoEUc QawxtTMPOufuw++bNVvhZJm9TFivRng== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:dkim-signature:from; bh=QKDV9DLg1dSPjLtKDigrNM0aX6cANW4mmEJRz7HCqfk=; b=m7s5qxi1cOgvG8/xNKEC/+1cEsPhZVPpIOy+VczbxCLD4lLu7SzgONge9mFCuNzWz0KQ5XFVE9URl 4axmnhPNYApxW8XDPbgTYdY/6/MIUK9P+Laj3PkYZnVy1UESk+3EUPJnen/M7aeoeULb0dboomQTQ+ aBaNFfKfdM96AYQ10DKHfZvn1NfSOeTwfdR2Zzd0WlTnEqrf2i5C234lIRDTCYTL2z1ej186D+BLp5 TAbxmqq6vmX82TfSQpkoZ7rLxMwgXhSmgzyHd9kHvpXAX6ZdJ8A7WUBzf9AsDFvJaG2tPo1E9DbzcK qHPkvb82HXs6eJzyY8Nl5i7jI3uKbXQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; outbound3.ore.mailhop.org; spf=softfail smtp.mailfrom=freebsd.org smtp.remote-ip=67.177.211.60; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org; arc=none header.oldest-pass=0; X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: 276cd0f2-ed4d-11ea-8b38-614106969e8d X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (c-67-177-211-60.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.177.211.60]) by outbound3.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 276cd0f2-ed4d-11ea-8b38-614106969e8d; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 082IoLuG046576; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Plans for git (was: Please check the current beta git conversions) From: Ian Lepore To: Dan Langille , Warner Losh , Steve Kargl Cc: FreeBSD Current Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 12:50:21 -0600 In-Reply-To: <5c832482-b2bc-47e4-8762-8f5a886d5f11@www.fastmail.com> References: <20200902045939.GA15897@eureka.lemis.com> <20200902060117.GG53210@home.opsec.eu> <20200902063136.GA47543@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20200902164706.GA49777@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <5c89b4d27281f5dfffc3252a90013b0ac6c763d7.camel@freebsd.org> <5c832482-b2bc-47e4-8762-8f5a886d5f11@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ASCII" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BhY0l43q0z43fV X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:44.224.0.0/11, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:50:32 -0000 On Wed, 2020-09-02 at 14:45 -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > Seriously, Warner? > > Yes, seriously. We are adults. Act accordingly. > > Don't be confused. I also thought the message he was replying to was out of line. > > > I applaud Steve's message as being the first one in this thread that > > has any real value at all. Unlike everyone else, he has clearly seen > > what the basic problem is (zero communications about this impending > > cutover to the people who need to work with it every day), and he > > summarized it in a completely practical way. > > We disagree. The message could have been worded without being negative. > > > This assumption that everyone knows how to use git is mind-boggling. I > > think I installed it once, a few years ago. Then I uninstalled it > > because of how abysmally hard it was to try to learn even a few > > commands to do anything with it. > > No, it's assumed you will learn. I did. We all can. > > Please, we cooperate on this project. We don't attack, and yes, these were attacks. > > > I guess Steve & I are a couple dinosaurs and the whole rest of the > > freebsd user and committer community is laughing at our ignorance and > > thinking "we don't need their contributions anyway, so let's just mock > > them and move on." > > I don't think so. I'm guessing I'm older and more set in my ways. > > There are much better ways to communicate that in recent messages. > How typical: trim away ALL context of what's being discussed, then claim that the material was offensive in some way after destroying the contextual evidence that makes a lie of your claim. -- Ian