From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 11 19:07:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC8C16A405 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (vpn.mired.org [66.92.153.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BCC913C45D for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: (qmail 42883 invoked by uid 1001); 11 May 2007 19:07:28 -0000 Received: by bhuda.mired.org (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Fri, 11 May 2007 15:07:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17988.48879.828384.170557@bhuda.mired.org> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:07:27 -0400 To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20070511184259.GA23483@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200705102105.27271.blackdragon@highveldmail.co.za> <17987.52037.112351.872442@bhuda.mired.org> <20070511015156.GA77895@xor.obsecurity.org> <17987.52970.398402.580727@bhuda.mired.org> <20070511021249.GA78729@xor.obsecurity.org> <17987.57305.7130.873114@bhuda.mired.org> <20070511051852.GA89359@xor.obsecurity.org> <17988.32573.910854.388638@bhuda.mired.org> <20070511184259.GA23483@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Primary-Address: mwm@mired.org X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`; h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Ivan Voras Subject: Re: New FreeBSD package system (a.k.a. Daemon Package System (dps)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:59 -0000 In <20070511184259.GA23483@xor.obsecurity.org>, Kris Kennaway typed: > The point is that the real problem is: "how do you arrange the bits on > disk", not "how do you wrap that in a package system". Until you > figure out a workable on-disk arrangement for the files, questions > about packaging are not relevant. And it seems that option 1 is the > only workable one in practise (unless you have some other idea), which > can easily be achieved today with a couple of hours of kernel hacking. There are clearly other workable ideas - as I said, the linux folks managed to make it work. But it's not an easy problem. I certainly wouldn't suggest rebuilding the packaging system to deal with this, except as part of a larger effort. On the other hand, since people are working on the ports/package system (I see port/pkg database and some ports infrastructure work in the current SoC projects list), not keeping this goal in mind would seem to be a bit short-sighted. I wouldn't be surprised if your option #1 could benefit from this as well. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information.