From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 20 06:26:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64352C8181 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 06:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49RjSh5JQnz3W7w for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 06:26:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 23:26:25 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Weird Hardware Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a9f810d-7b4b-f4e6-4b7c-716044a9cf69@tundraware.com> <299b37be-11af-6c0a-6957-54a788d19fe5@tundraware.com> <0df1c88e-3c7b-8c4d-6b4f-95da54a46226@holgerdanske.com> <42405faa-b644-7e90-6cc7-8b63e7bd244a@yahoo.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 23:26:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42405faa-b644-7e90-6cc7-8b63e7bd244a@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49RjSh5JQnz3W7w X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.47 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.61)[0.608]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.960]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 06:26:30 -0000 On 2020-05-19 20:47, Ben Brink wrote: > Hi David, > > This sounds like a power supply issue.. where the powersupply has just > enough to run operation within normal range, but any demand sends it > over lowering capacity threshold, subsequently causing a brief power > outage and subsequent reboot. I had it happen to numerous machines over > the years.. was quite a drain on time to figure it out, because I > assumed it was software, and then didn't have the electronics equipment > to check. > > You should be able to rule out a powersupply issue by loading the power > supply with a few extra peripherals. > > Just know that if it is the powersupply, be sure to keep backups of your > work, because the power dips can damage the data on storage. > > Powersupplies are a common failure point due to short capacitor life. > These are the weak points in common consumer electronics. > > best wishes, > Ben I have also seen power supplies that were marginal and/or that had partial failures (one bad rail). Thankfully, the components they were powering did not appear to be permanently damaged once I replaced the power supply. I am not the OP -- I was attempting to give suggestions to the OP that I had not seen posted yet. The OP stated that he had installed a new power supply, and Arthur Chance has already mentioned the power supply. Without information about the loads, the original power supply, and the new power supply, we cannot verify the OP's choice. I can only assume that the OP selected a "correct" part for his application. Of course, the OP could do more testing with yet another power supply as a double-check. A 500+ Watt ATX2 power supply should be adequate overkill for a desktop box with a motherboard, an optical drive, and one or two HDD's. Without full engineering information and (expensive) test equipment, our efforts are limited to "monkey see, monkey do". We throw ideas at the OP, he tries what he wants, and perhaps he'll get lucky. Understand that this is an obsolete low-end consumer-grade Dell product, albeit with big CPU and memory options. It was designed for casual Windows Home users, not Linux/ FreeBSD madmen like us who want to flog it like a workstation and server. ;-) Perhaps it is time to cannibalize the good parts and junk the rest -- FCLGA1150 motherboards are still available new, and some are made with high-spec parts (for gamers). But, a new motherboard may require a new case, as I believe Dell uses the uncommon BTX motherboard form factor. Alternatively, Inspiron 3847 motherboards start at $40 on eBay. That said, given the shrinking margin of memory and storage sizes vs. bit error rates, and the increasing risk of bit rot, I now put my money into computers with ECC memory. David