From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Fri May 25 04:34:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68913F72810 for ; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@sippysoft.com) Received: from mail-oi0-f47.google.com (mail-oi0-f47.google.com [209.85.218.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBFF6721FD for ; Fri, 25 May 2018 04:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@sippysoft.com) Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id d5-v6so440377oib.5 for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 21:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oErXU7mAZ1KmpazwygP42vhAxIAV6/OrisZtCQIWhoM=; b=mV7LFfsXbuga7eRgVgcl9J1wea2qhKb92KLfw0UqCN6kbCJsvndvE2A7T8ElBqSdyD 8FfLkl1ThoNBw4Q8uJ9jj6PovBhzYdqWrE38/4iaXq2JfQ6MgeKCgNHuKA1u7gqEX7FX 5jElzdQ2gGtJg9wZ7Qn3LyAQk6ppQfkl5x5t9dstftHOXPPHDGR8lCYptf+x3Tkmy/4b etLpRKfb7BHd2cPHXa8E0OpD8pLDemvmyUW3jpaXmpbE62LEFmvWbS/w76BPI6LXSIia 8OmpvN2aKenO39f4aWMqatC3uNo9BLQ0U2ACWB6kPpKYLwfxCx0cK0ijdozBgmJL700s JWFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPweR7epp1cqxgk5SBkCUOnxZ4v3XQMC5eRTfS+49Y8R8mjilWOPl zekwZck0DJxhPxQ4sPmCcKix3mCHwpbW8Kg+c3gPXA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJaNtZFMQWAL+QLiY9OFGvOWyQAL9D1n79YTC4fidCwP/EU0032QyyuxQ78OWPl10QchTBJJ12pra6LpjZH6uE= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2b19:: with SMTP id i25-v6mr466135oik.170.1527222460919; Thu, 24 May 2018 21:27:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201805232218.w4NMIxMA067892@slippy.cwsent.com> <18a87d6d-14af-ef9d-80ff-403039e36692@cs.duke.edu> <20180525003949.GA710@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20180525003949.GA710@lonesome.com> From: Maxim Sobolev Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 21:27:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deorbiting i386 To: Mark Linimon Cc: Matthew Macy , Andrew Gallatin , Pedro Giffuni , Cy Schubert , Brooks Davis , Eugene Grosbein , Stefan Esser , "rgrimes@freebsd.org" , Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 25 May 2018 10:39:54 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 04:34:47 -0000 The idea looks very inmature and short-sighted to me. i386 is here to stay not as a server/desktop platform but as an embedded/low power/low cost platform for at least 5-10 years to come. There are plenty of applications in the world that don't need > 3gb of memory space and have no use for extra bits (and extra silicon) to function. By quitting this space early FreeBSD is going to make itself unavailable for those applications. We are striving to support mips and the likes, with just tens of megabytes of memory and marginal at best adoption. Yet seriously discussing ditching out solid platform that has been our workforce for 20+ years?? -Max On Thu, May 24, 2018, 5:40 PM Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:22:37PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > All you need to know about sparc64 vitality is that HEAD didn't boot > > for 3 months until last week. > > All you need to know is that -11 works fine, but, after so much drama > from various places, I haven't even bothered upgrading any of my machines > to 12. > > mcl > >