From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 30 21:19:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3F11544E for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id PAA68993; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:49:13 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:49:13 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Excellent Gartner Group report: Debunking Open Source Mythsc Message-ID: <20000131154913.A68925@freebie.lemis.com> References: <4.2.2.20000128130927.046ee770@localhost> <4.2.2.20000128130927.046ee770@localhost> <20000129134928.D17521@freebie.lemis.com> <4.2.2.20000130215249.00b91690@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000130215249.00b91690@localhost> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 30 January 2000 at 21:56:31 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 08:19 PM 1/28/2000 , Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> Alas, it's factually incorrect on several points. In particular, it >>> credits Stallman with originating the idea of open source software >>> "in 1984." >> >> Well, no, that's not what it says. To quote: >> >> The decision by AT&T to commercialize Unix in 1984 prompted the >> first attempt to organize the concept of free software ("free" as in >> freedom, not free of charge) around a license and a development >> project (see Note 2). >> >> What part of that do you consider incorrect? > > The date (Stallman started his campaign to destroy commercial > software developers before 1984) and also the motivation (it was the > spinoff of Symbolics from the MIT AI Lab that started him on his > vendetta). Also, AT&T sold commercial licenses for UNIX well before > 1984; it started doing so immediately after divestiture. So, just > about everything in the paragraph is incorrect. It seems that you are saying "except for one date, everything in the paragraph is correct". Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message