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Date:      Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:24:50 -0600
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        Jon Hamilton <hamilton@pobox.com>
Cc:        security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why is there no info on the QPOPPER hack? 
Message-ID:  <199807211824.MAA14302@lariat.lariat.org>
In-Reply-To: <199807210332.VAA00941@lariat.lariat.org>
References:  <Your message of "Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:01 MDT."             <199807210311.VAA00475@lariat.lariat.org>

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At 10:34 PM 7/20/98 -0500, Jon Hamilton wrote:
 
>The sky is falling!  Where is that warranty?  Oh, that's right, there isn't
>one.  The people who are responsible for keeping those machines safe are
>just going to have to be responsible for keeping them safe, I guess.

And every one of them will respond instantly to every security advisory,
so no crackers will ever get in. Nice fantasy.

>True, but how often do we see problems where "-current won't compile" or
>where patches went in which were unchecked or otherwise caused problems?
>You're talking about a volunteer effort, and I just don't see you getting
>the kind of rigor out of it that you'd need for something like you're
>suggesting.  This is not meant to denigrate the effort any of the
>maintainers put in - I am arguing that it's not reasonable to expect such
>a level of effort from them, and if not them, then who?

A security team formed for that purpose. A group of people who DO hang on
ever Bugtraq message (if not individually, then collectively). As for 
"-current won't compile" problems -- they're unlikely to occur because
the patches will likely be to small bits of the OS.

>Wave your hands some more.  Are you _really_ sure that you trust your
>local copy of pgp (or whatever other method you want to use)?

As much as I trust CVSupping to close a hole. And, yes, I do place a high
level of trust in strong crypto. As must all of us.

--Brett Glass



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