From owner-freebsd-security Fri Apr 26 12:49: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (ekgr-dsl2-92.citlink.net [207.173.226.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012CF37B419 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tagalong (unknown [165.107.42.110]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B042EE5A1; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006f01c1ed5b$5d8ea1c0$6e2a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: Cc: "Julian Elischer" , References: <002d01c1ed3d$32272a20$6e2a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> <20020426143245.A89608@cowbert.2y.net> Subject: Re: RELENG_4_4 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:48:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter C. Lai" To: "Drew Tomlinson" Cc: "Julian Elischer" ; Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: RELENG_4_4 > I hope we don't bring up the whole binary patch subject again but > in case you aren't trying to be facetious, I would have to state that > 4.4 -> 4.5 is a point release and therefore may be a significant change. > Just look at how long it takes to run mergemaster when > going from 4.4 -> 4.5 and 4.5 -> 4.5. Actually moving from 4.1.1 -> 4.5 > is a pretty huge jump too but if you only rebuild world every couple of > years for production machines you only have 1 major downtime period instead > of many potential ones. > > A point release can change many things. For example, 4.0 -> 4.1.1? > changed the way passwords were stored and look at how many issues > people had with that. > > If patching didn't require rebuilding a large portion of the system, > then "patch" may be appropriate, but to production level machines, > current patching methods are effectively system upgrades, at least > with FreeBSD. At least we aren't talking PHP 4.1 -> 4.2 here :) Good points. I didn't realize so much might change between point versions. Thanks, Drew > On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:12:42AM -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julian Elischer" > > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:32 PM > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > We will be moving those on 4.1.1 to 4.4 so that they are all at the > > same > > > level, but we cannot move them up to 4.5 or 4.8 or whatever for > > > at least another 18 months as they don't upgrade production systems > > more > > > than once on 2 years in general. > > > > Instead of calling it an "upgrade", call it a system "patch". It just > > so happens that the RELENG_4_5 "patch" will ensure that the OS is up to > > date on security issues and more! :) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Drew > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message