Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:31:53 -0600 From: "Jeremy Messenger" <mezz7@cox.net> To: "Boris Samorodov" <bsam@ipt.ru> Cc: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Chuck Robey <chuckr@chuckr.org> Subject: Re: HOW-TO get Flash7 working! Message-ID: <op.t4zp3fq49aq2h7@mezz.mezzweb.com> In-Reply-To: <40024273@bb.ipt.ru> References: <64c038660801040516u5c42a6cpadb475ad67fb4730@mail.gmail.com> <20080104174955.52aa33fd@gumby.homeunix.com> <64c038660801041029t1a9662bayed3ca02fd46c7ece@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660801041226k1d350bc6p727e4666ea295727@mail.gmail.com> <477FFE14.1010704@monkeybrains.net> <477FFF63.50004@gmail.com> <47801D54.8050709@gmail.com> <47803E3F.2080005@monkeybrains.net> <47804901.6090007@gmail.com> <4786BF45.8030602@monkeybrains.net> <4786CEDC.3050009@chuckr.org> <20080111170711.t6wxj1bc68cgwwk4@webmail.leidinger.net> <4787E597.9040902@chuckr.org> <40077827@bb.ipt.ru> <478BC152.8060200@chuckr.org> <54285521@bb.ipt.ru> <478D0CC1.5010703@chuckr.org> <40024273@bb.ipt.ru>
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:47:42 -0600, Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru> wrote:=
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:42:57 -0500 Chuck Robey wrote:
>> Boris Samorodov wrote:
>> > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:08:50 -0500 Chuck Robey wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anyhow, I said I made no effort to record what I did, and if in =
>> this case
>> >> I misremembered, please don't take it as an insult to your work, =
>> which does
>> >
>> > I didn't. I (as a developer) tried to help you (as a user) to track=
>> > the difficulties.
>> >
>> >> look like you did a fine job of it. This, at least, is one port =
>> that DOES
>> >> do things as I would have them.
>> >
>> > Well, since some other (may be 15-20) fc4-linux infrastructure port=
>> > were written by me as well, I hope that there should be more that t=
hat
>> > one. :-)
>> >
>> >> The only way I'm going to get things to be for certain, it's to =
>> start over
>> >> from the beginning, and this time follow the procedures that any =
>> serious
>> >> porter (such as you) already knows by heart. I'm not going to tr=
y =
>> to
>> >> repeat all that here.
>> >
>> > OK, great. And please, in any doubt about any (in this case linux)
>> > port's behaviour don't hesitate and write to this or emulation@ ML.=
>
>> I just replied to Alex Leidinger's mail (where he replied to this one=
)
>> incorrectly. I thought it was you, and didn;'t realize until after I=
'd
>> kicked off the send key. Should have realized it from his use of
>> invective, and how he tried to paint this one error as if _all_ linux=
=
>> ports
>
> He said "all infrastructure linux ports". Those ports which install
> libraries, filesystem, configs, etc. He never said all of them (just
> because he knows ports and it's structure much better than me). And it=
> is Alexander (with the help of Roman Divacky) who did much work at
> kernel/userland linuxulator to improve it and introduce 2.6-linux.
>
>> installed correctly, and I was only confused. No big loss, I ppointe=
d =
>> out
>> there a particular example (/usr/ports/www/linux-firefox) that does =
>> install
>> into /usr/local,
>
> This is not an infrastructure port, this is a user application. (I'll
> duscuss this port as an answer for your other mail).
Well, actually, near all of gecko ports install both libraries and app. =
In =
FreeBSD, there are plenty of ports that depend on firefox, mozilla, =
seamonkey and other gecko libraries.
# ldd /usr/local/bin/epiphany | grep firefox
libmozjs.so =3D> /usr/local/lib/firefox/libmozjs.so (0x28189000=
)
libgtkembedmoz.so =3D> /usr/local/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so=
=
(0x28230000)
libxpcom.so =3D> /usr/local/lib/firefox/libxpcom.so (0x28244000=
)
libxpcom_core.so =3D> /usr/local/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so =
(0x295b6000)
# ldd /usr/local/lib/liferea/liblihtmlm.so | grep firefox
libgtkembedmoz.so =3D> /usr/local/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so=
=
(0x28d2c000)
libxpcom.so =3D> /usr/local/lib/firefox/libxpcom.so (0x28d40000=
)
libxpcom_core.so =3D> /usr/local/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so =
(0x29007000)
But as you have pointed about that we need an evidence for linux-firefox=
=
install in LOCALBASE breaks other linux stuff.
Cheers,
Mezz
>> just didn't appreciate his painting it as if all I said
>> was wrong, and using the libdl thing as if I was wrong all around the=
=
>> ring.
>
> OK, let's leave libdl an all concerned with it in the past. And
> let's concentrate at port errors (ports with errors?).
>
>> I haven't sent any of this to emulation. I dislike crossposting with=
out
>> some truly major reason, and this thread did begin in ports. I wonde=
r,
>> does the fact that your own port installs into /compat mean that you,=
>> yourself, agree with my thesis, that all Linux items belong inmstalle=
d =
>> into
>> the /compat/linux tree?
>
> Actually, no. ;-) That means that those ports are linux infrastructure=
> ports which (so far noboby doubts it) belong to /compat/linux.
>
>> What is your own opinion of this?
>
> You know, when something goes wrong with a port and I can't repair it
> myself, I do to a dortor^w kernel committer for help. If he says
> "don't do it, it hurts" I do just what he says. Said that I should add=
> that I do it not blindly but because I see that it really (most of the=
> cases) helps. Yet there are open PRs which still are not closed,
> workaround not found, etc.
>
> Nobody says that current linuxulator is ideal. I'd say that current
> situation just hurts less. It is (unfortunately) very sensitive
> instrument. :-( (I don't want to end the letter in a sad end, and
> here is an old Russian phrase which may remind current situation:
> "One wrong movement, and you are a father...")
>
>
> WBR
-- =
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