From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 17 01:53:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C17F10656A4 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244638FC16 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9072 invoked by uid 399); 17 Aug 2010 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 17 Aug 2010 01:53:15 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <4C69EB89.2090605@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:53:13 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100807 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <4C673898.2080609@FreeBSD.org> <20100816.094740.74728369.sthaug@nethelp.no> In-Reply-To: <20100816.094740.74728369.sthaug@nethelp.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:53:16 -0000 On 08/16/2010 00:47, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > If I only wanted a kernel and everything else as installable packages, > I might as well use one of the Linux distributions. That wasn't at all what I said, or what I was suggesting. There is a middle ground between "everything is a package" and the status quo. The fact that people keep asking for more things to be in the base that clearly don't/can't belong there is evidence of this. Meanwhile, to respond more or less generally to some of the specific responses I received: 1. My descriptions of the various possible things to import were meant to be tongue-in-cheek, not exhaustive technical reviews of the alternatives. The fact that some people "bit" on those, particularly the ones that described rabid user communities, is, well, funny. :) 2. phk's description of the the situation with tcl is both more eloquent and more complete than I could have come up with, which is why I didn't mention it in my previous post. Although the situation with perl is more vivid for me since I was directly affected by it my recollections of the tcl thing match his description, and more importantly I agree with him that it should be viewed as a cautionary tale. 3. In case I wasn't clear in my last post the correct answer at this time is neither "import more stuff into the base" nor "turn more things into packages." It's "write good apps using the tool(s) of your own choosing and we'll find a way to make it work." Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso