From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 5 04:08:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A1116A40F for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 04:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E409643CA5 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 04:07:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from gimpy (c-24-118-173-219.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.173.219]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with ESMTP id <2006120504081301500b2hm4e>; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 04:08:13 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 22:07:50 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200612041443.15154.josh@tcbug.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612042207.50372.josh@tcbug.org> Cc: David Kelly Subject: Re: Venting my frustration with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 04:08:15 -0000 On Monday 04 December 2006 21:10, David Kelly wrote: > On Dec 4, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > If you *do* decide to flame me please take a moment to grep for > > josh@tcbug.org through the ports tree, or look for PR's with my > > name on them, or browse through the questions@ mailing list > > archives looking for responses from me. I have, and do, > > contribute to FreeBSD, which I feel gives me the right to > > complain a bit. I fully intend to ride the FBSD boat as long as > > possible, I just can't help but wonder if the slow leaks I see > > now are serious. > > Know what I like best about FreeBSD? That this thread has NOT > become a flamefest. That FreeBSD users and developers know the > difference between constructive criticism and a troll. Know how to > take constructive criticism, and how to ignore a troll. And just so > there isn't any doubt, Josh's posting is "constructive criticism." > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net > =================================================================== >===== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. I started and run the local BSD user group, and I've always been interested in seeing what the local LUG does, so I read their mailing list. One of the things I've always noticed is that the LUG mailing list is one big flame-fest. In the years our BUG has been in existance we've had one thread that was at all hostile, and it was the result of someone posting a bunch of political propaganda during the 04 presidential elections. We also have an IRC channel on freenode, and just the other day I went to kick someone out for the first time, only to find I wasn't on the access list. (For the record, the only reason I wanted to kick them is their client was dorked up and caught in a join/part cycle) What I'm getting at is that the FreeBSD community is for the most part terrific. For the record I haven't gotten anything close to a flame from anyone, either onlist or off. To be fair, I should mention the things that I think are awesome about FreeBSD. 1) The ports tree. Not without it's faults, but if you know how to massage it properly I think it's the best package management system in existance in the open source world....and it's better than any of the proprietary ones I've used from commercial vendors too. 2) The documentation. Chances are, if you want to do it it has excellent OFFICIAL documentation. My hats off to everyone that slaves away on the doc team. 3) The filesystem layout. Simply fantastic. The seperation between the base system and 3rd party apps is a godsend. 4) The ease of updating the base system. Sure, there have been some ugly upgrade paths between major version numbers. (2.x -> 3.x) and the fact that there's no feasible way to get UFS2 without a reinstall making 4.x -> 5.x || 6.x somewhat pointless, but even so, 5.x -> 6.x is cake, as was 3.x -> 4.x which is impressive. And minor version numbers are of course trivial. I could go on, but I'm getting too touchy feely for my own good I think. :) I think I'll add one more thing to my original rant. Why oh why oh why can't we have a journalling filesystem? I'll also add, I so hope I'm wrong and FreeBSD will be there for me for years and years and years to come. :) -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel