From owner-freebsd-hackers  Sun Nov  5 04:18:00 1995
Return-Path: owner-hackers
Received: (from root@localhost)
          by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id EAA01010
          for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 04:18:00 -0800
Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1])
          by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA01005
          for <hackers@freebsd.org>; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 04:17:57 -0800
Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.28.1)
	  from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp
	  id <m0tC41b-0011jEC@cls.net>; Sun, 5 Nov 95 12:18 GMT
From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey)
Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany
Phone: +49-6637-919123
Fax:   +49-6637-919122
Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey)
Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) 
	id MAA11051; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:53:21 +0100
Message-Id: <199511051153.MAA11051@allegro.lemis.de>
Subject: Re: machine reboot & kernel maxusers option
To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:53:21 +0100 (MET)
Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers)
In-Reply-To: <199511051031.VAA32280@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Nov 5, 95 09:31:26 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Length: 988       
Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org
Precedence: bulk

Bruce Evans writes:
> 
> >> > I've been voting for hiding the ``not found'' messages behind the
> >> > "bootverbose" (boot -v) case long ago, but nobody seems to agree. :)
> >> >
> >>  
> >> i agree with you - i think this should be the sense of a "-v" flag - normally
> >> you should'ne see what's missing (if it is something impotant you'll see it if
> >> something is'nt working :-) - but you shoud have a chance to look more careful
> >> at all the device probes (using boot -v)
> 
> >I'll go along with that.  "Not found" also scares off people who don't
> >realize that it's a normal state of affairs.
> 
> It's only normal (and not good) for GENERIC and other bloated kernels.

Would you like to hazard a guess about what percentage of people
really, *really* customize their kernels?  Even if you do, you might
need to keep things in that you don't have (I haven't found a clean
way to remove CD-ROM support, for example).  You're right, though,
that doesn't make it good.

Greg