From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 4 19:46:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B609E16A4CE for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from csa.cs.okstate.edu (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.113.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E79843D1F for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:46:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: by csa.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix, from userid 601) id A7197A063D; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:46:24 -0500 (CDT) To: phk@phk.freebsd.dk, gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk Received: from 164.58.79.196 (auth. user lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu) by cs.okstate.edu with HTTP; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:46:24 -0600 X-IlohaMail-Blah: lreid@a.cs.okstate.edu X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.12 (On: cs.okstate.edu) In-Reply-To: <3080.1112634823@critter.freebsd.dk> From: "Reid Linnemann" Bounce-To: "Reid Linnemann" Errors-To: "Reid Linnemann" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20050404194624.A7197A063D@csa.cs.okstate.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:46:24 -0500 (CDT) cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Can't change partition table anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:46:25 -0000 On 4/4/2005, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: >In message <1112632713.71324.52.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk>, Gavin Atkinson writes: > >>Only the most anti-gun people would say that the safety catch should >>We're not talking about curb-side child-height baskets. We're talking >>about people who should know what they are doing (they have root, after >>all), entering commands which they expect to work... > >Sorry, I disagree. > >This was true when root was Ken, Dennis and Brian. > >Today root is Tom, Dick and Harry and they need sensible padding. On Linux, I would agree. Every 16 year-old h4x0r in the northern hemisphere picks up Linux and expects it to be idiotproof. On BSD, I disagree. Frankly, I feel BSD operators are BSD operators because they _want_ the power available, not because it's the new fad OS on the block. The audience is more mature, and should be treated as asuch. Honestly, I think most BSD operators expect the power of root to be undiluted, the arguments put forth thus far should be proof enough of that. And if a BSD operator shoots their own foot off, they remember not to do "that" again without reading the manual and testing in a non-production environment first. Just my $0.02 on the matter. -Reid