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Carter wrote: > nd I'm a little icked out to have to run local mail through yet > another evilcorp.  So I'm provisionally going to have the local postfix > instances SMTP relay to a cloud postfix instance I manage.  T You don't. Sendmail, at least, is smart enough to deliver local mail without doing through the relay - at least for things in the same domain. For other domains, sendmail provides mailtable which is a way to decide which relay should be used for which domains. (I just confirmed this with the sendmail gurus.) I assume postfix has something analogous. Also, I checked with DuoCircle and they claim to only retain the content for a day in their logs, but are willing to turn that off at the request of the customer. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/