From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 17 23:01:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DC91FE1 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (e.febed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ABEB25A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t1HN05uP036736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:00:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: jd1008 Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? In-Reply-To: <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <20150217202411.GA42894@neutralgood.org> <20150217222744.0a9b1d87@archlinux> <54E3BF90.9060609@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:01:09 -0000 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, jd1008 wrote: > > On 02/17/2015 02:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:24:11 -0500, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: >>> http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html [snip] > I believe a major overhaul of the software industry (both open source > and commercial) is way way overdue. A people's tribunal of highly > capable software and hardware engineers is desperately needed to look > into the source codes of all SW and HW designs and implementations - > including the compilers and assemblers. That sounds good. But if you read Kevin's link - http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html, an audit may not turn up everything that might be happening. Also: such a tribunal would involve a huge amount of work. I am a working programmer, and I have this quaint notion that I ought be paid for my work. Who are these 'people' who will pay for this source code audit? You? -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ]