From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 2 3:15: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1314B15410 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id MAA24385; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:14:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id MAA49149; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990902121655.14581@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:16:55 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Brett Glass Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sorry, I just couldn't let this go by... References: <804.936177954@localhost> <4.2.0.58.19990901152642.047b0250@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990901152642.047b0250@localhost>; from Brett Glass on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 04:43:10PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > > No, Jordan, I do not "slam" FreeBSD or BSD UNIX in general, and you should > not attempt to discredit me by making this false claim. I do carefully critique > the way in which BSD UNIX in general is being marketed, promoted, and evangelized. TO criticize (criticise, UK spelling) A critique > Advocacy is more than just being a "booster" or shouting "Rah! Rah!" on the > sidelines. It also involves identifying problems and solving them. It seems > as if some of the members of this list would rather shoot the messenger than > deal with FreeBSD's problems in the area of marketing and evangelism. Recognition > of the problem -- which even according to David's numbers is growing > exponentially -- is necessary before right action can be taken. You're trying to get people to forcefully "recognize" a problem. And I say "a" problem because so far you're disagreeing with David Greenman's "non-scientific" approach to gathering the data. Tell me, then, what the scientifically correct way would be ? -- Division by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message