From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 21 18:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A26516A41F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:41:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891D643D46 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:41:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALIfStG021762; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:41:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <438214D8.1000203@samsco.org> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:41:28 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh References: <4381FEDF.7080607@root.org> <20051121.111955.74713410.imp@bsdimp.com> <43821134.6040306@samsco.org> <20051121.113052.71133065.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20051121.113052.71133065.imp@bsdimp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: arch@freebsd.org, nate@root.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/modules/iwi Makefile src/sys/dev/iwi if_iwi.c if_iwireg.h if_iwivar.h X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:41:31 -0000 Warner Losh wrote: >>Making the driver aware of the filesystem layout is a bad idea. > > > Your opinion has been noted. Repeating it often isn't going to help. > It has its advantages from the user point of view (I put a file here > and it is used, my tool of choice can always be "cp"). > > >>Encapsulating data into a KLD is not hard to do. > > > Neither is a dozen other things that we do automatically for the > user. From a user point of view this is a pita. I put this file > here, and then I have to remember which magic tool to run to convert > the iwi firmware into a kld. But that's a different tool from the wi > driver and that's different from the iwp driver, etc. > > Each approach has its pro's and con's. Getting dogmatic about 'X is a > bad idea, therefor you must do Y' without looking at why 'Y' might be > a worse alternative to 'X' isn't going to help this discussion. > > Warner Lack of useful content noted. Thanks. Scott