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I did that - and the manpage could be read. I'm just mentioning > >>> this because I've never seen this before... > >> > >> Historically, man(1) was essentially "nroff -man" under the covers. > > > > Older FreeBSD versions came with /usr/bin/groff - similar problem > > as with info, except that _some_ manpages were available without > > installing 3rd party software (probably already processed and > > rendered, and in that form part of the default installation). > > > > I've also been using groff to turn man entries into PDF files. :-) > > Now that's clever. There's probably a much efficienter way, but at least what I did (zcat | groff | ps2pdf) works. > I'll bet you can read and modify /etc/termcap :) Yes, and I've been doing this on FreeBSD 4 and 5, but I canoot remember for what particular purpose... :-) > From another email in this thread: > > > It's like how tools like dig and bind disappeared from the base system. They > > are now in ports and can be installed optionally. However, if a documentation > > file is still part of the OS, and installed along with the tools comprising > > the OS, the corresponding reader (!) should also be part of the OS. Or at > > least a placeholder, which could be a script that simply echo "This tool is no > > longer part of FreeBSD, please install this or that.", exit 0. :-) > > > My thought on texinfo was that this was a bit different than when nslookup, dig, > and bind were removed from the base. To the level I use drill it has the same > syntax as dig, nslookup functions can [mostly??] be done with host. Bind is, > well, bind. Correct - replacements (with a different name) were supplied at the same time the original bind-related tools were removed, and so there is no big problem. You can either use the new tools, or install the bind-based ones if you have scripts that rely on them. > Here we remove the tool needed to read a set of files from the base > but leave the files. Just that was the situation I found strange. > I suspect there will be a lot of this when sendmail is > removed from the base. And when base ("the OS") will be broken up into individual packages, maintained by pkg, which is also a package, and maybe the kernel also becomes a package... oh wait, why does this sound as if I'm talking about Linux?! ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...