From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 6 20:01:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF5616A4D4 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 20:01:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92C843D41 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 20:01:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180])C1EB81800320 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 20:01:39 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 May 2005 20:01:39 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AD5444BEAD; Fri, 6 May 2005 20:01:39 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 15:01:39 -0500 From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" To: "Johnson David" , advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:01:39 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050506200139.AD5444BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: RE: Want a logo competition? Do it properly. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 20:01:40 -0000 Trying to subjugate my voice into spam now? > Being ignored does not make FreeBSD "totalitarian", which was your concer= n. > Totalitarians are people with guns and police and jails and executions. T= his > isn't an authoritarian state, because there is no threat of deadly force = to > coerce you into compliance with a politician's wishes. Neither is it a > democracy, because the same lack of political authority prevents compelli= ng > you to the wishes of the majority. I know that. This is the Internet. > If it ends up that people don't like the new logo, they simply will > refuse to use it. End of story. > > > > How are they suppose to do that? :) >=20 > Simply by refusing to use it! There is nothing compelling me to use the n= ew > logo if I don't want to. If this is too hard to understand, it may be > because it's so absurdly simple that you're overlooking the obvious. If > FreeBSD Mall or DaemonNews doesn't want to use the new logo on their CD > distributions, they don't have to. If FreshPorts doesn't want to use the = new > logo on its website, it doesn't have to. You said people. I assumed regular people. People who don't own the biggest FreeBSD related websites. I can't avoid seeing the parts of my body when I use it, know what I mean? > > If the logo goes into print and production, it would be too late. >=20 > It might be "too late" in terms of an official logo. But there's nothing > that would stop the community from adopting an unofficial logo instead, > should they decide to do so. In fact, if the official logo happens to be > distasteful enough to the community, there's nothing stopping a fork from > occuring. In reality, however, the logo will probably end up being quite > satisfactory. This struck me as an official competition. And you are most right, the result should be quite satisfactory. > > Then it is me versus the logo crew. > > > > 1) I want them to open this contest for public view and voting. > > 2) I want them to acknowledge the rights of the elected designer. >=20 > To be blunt, your wants are irrelevant. Volunteerism is a two way street. > Not only is FreeBSD unable to force its logo upon you, you are also unable > to force your wishes upon the logo crew. Isn't that sort of contradictory: > Never once in its long history has the FreeBSD Project ever oppressed or > subjugated a user. I'm not forcing. I'm suggesting. Wouldn't it be more fair to everyone if everyone could participate? -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.home.no/barbershop Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm