From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 5 01:48:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D9D16A419 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 01:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDD613C43E for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 01:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAJZPp0eC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACtGg Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 04 Feb 2008 17:48:33 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020417483250-2815 ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:48:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:48:32 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> <200802020333.UAA03117@lariat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/04/2008 17:48:32, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/04/2008 17:48:33, Serialize complete at 02/04/2008 17:48:33 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:48:34 -0000 On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Brett Glass wrote: >> At 07:19 PM 2/1/2008, jerry@syslog.org wrote: >> >>> I've been through many M&A deals. MS will be able to successfully argue >>> that the MS+Yahoo! combo does not constitute a monopoly, since: >>> 1) the share of search of the combined companies does not equal that of >>> it's competitor, Google (source: >>> http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3627122) >>> 2) The combination of MS and Yahoo! does not preclude any >>> search/portal/email competitor from entering the market. >> >> Anyone who thinks it doesn't constitute a monopoly hasn't looked at the >> typical user's browser window. Every Windows PC sold today comes with >> MSN as the start page and the Yahoo! toolbar (which claims to remove >> spyware, but spies on you itself and refuses to be removed) pre-installed. >> >> Combining the two will hold the average user, who doesn't even know >> how to change the browser start page and can't tell the Yahoo toolbar >> from the URL bar, completely hostage. > > The news called it "antitrust ISSUES," which is interesting. Obviously, Katie Couric just told me that Google is filing briefs in argument that a Yahoo buyout by Microsoft violates SOME sort of antitrust issues. > IMHO, Google's 59-62% (I am still betting they got this 3% boost since Dec. > 2007) search market is clear counterindication to TOTAL > monopoly, but nonetheless, depending on how one defines the "market," > there is some concern. I think, though, that the obvious trend will > be further marriages of broadcast media (2009 mandate of digital > television signals as one indicator) and internet/computing sector > corporations such as the past merger of AOL/Time Warner. Therefore, > I guess I would tend to agree that antitrust SEEMS unlikely (but I > must acknowledge total ignorance of actual legal technicalities > on the matter and lack of J.D.). > > On Charlie Rose last night they were discussing the matter, and it > seems the BIG question is whether Yahoo will acquiesce to the takeover. > To do so would cut against the culture war of Redmond and Silicon > Valley. > >>> All of this assumes a few things: >>> 1) Yahoo's shareholders believe the deal represents a good value >> >> Ironically, it's Microsoft shareholders who think it's a bad deal. >> Microsoft's stock dropped like a rock when the offer was announced, >> while Yahoo! stock went up. > > Isn't that normal stock behaviors for takeover? > >> --Brett Glass > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------*