From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 04:16:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14E2E9BC71 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 04:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC3574BCB for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 04:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9D249E9BC70; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 04:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD13E9BC6F for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 04:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mail.karels.net (mail.karels.net [216.160.39.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5335A74BCA; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 04:16:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mail.karels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.karels.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vB74GhD8050840; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:16:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Message-Id: <201712070416.vB74GhD8050840@mail.karels.net> To: Cy Schubert cc: Cy Schubert , gjb@freebsd.org, "Pokala, Ravi" , ghapiro@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , "cem@freebsd.org" From: Mike Karels Reply-to: mike@karels.net Subject: Re: Sendmail deprecation ? In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:48:40 -0800. <201712070348.vB73mesl095194@slippy.cwsent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <50838.1512620203.1@mail.karels.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:16:43 -0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 04:16:51 -0000 > ... A stub like pkg that could install a package, providing the > user with a list to choose from, possibly timing out after a short period > of time to install the dma pkg (or port) makes the most sense to me and > should be a good compromise for all. Without specifying a mechanism, I agree that providing a menu would be good. I don't think it should time out. Certain other OS installers provide a menu of optional software to select (or not), even including sshd. In the case I'm thinking of, there is one such menu, but it would be nice to support menus by group, and for example, allowing at most one selection in a category. Hopefully this would not turn into a long series of menus, but selecting an MTA up front would be good. > Ports/packages are just as much FreeBSD as base is. That's not quite true yet; all of base is installed, and packages take an extra step now. Mike