From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 18 15:09:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858FB16A400 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vistua@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.ORG [192.94.73.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198F713C458 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vistua@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (vistua@norge.freeshell.org [192.94.73.3]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4IF9CfT016890 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:09:12 GMT Received: (from vistua@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.1/8.12.8/Submit) id l4IF9Cli011002 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:09:12 GMT Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:09:12 +0000 From: John Walthall To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070518150912.GA19343@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <3aaaa3a0705170830g46487cc7occc8a51b82a9118b@mail.gmail.com> <1179420667.87418.22.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <20070517181006.GB69514@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070517181006.GB69514@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:09:24 -0000 On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 11:10:06AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > As someone who has had to show many people "how" to use the FreeBSD > installer, I can confirm what Chris is referring to. > > Here's some of the generic end-user complaints I've heard (and some > of which I have); [...] And let's not forget the infamous geometry bug! For me, at least sysinstall has always, 100% of the time, incorrectly detected my disc geometry. Sysinstall is adequate, nothing more, nothing less. I don't mean though, to belittle the efforts of the developers; these days people are going to expect it to be polished on the order of YaST, which is ridiculous. Sysinstall is functional. Although irritated, variously, by every one of these issues, I am most concerned about the geometry bug, it looks lackadaisical. It is worth noting however, that of all the BSD's I have tried, FreeBSD has the best installer. NetBSD's installer isn't half bad, but doesn't have the scope of sysinstall, and is much less valuable as a configuration tool. OpenBSD's installer is Spartan; like the rest of OpenBSD, only more-so. I should not like ever to use OpenBSD's nightmarish installer again. If people have trouble with sysinstall-the-configuration-tool, perhaps they might examine sysutils/webmin? -- SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org