From owner-svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Sat Jun 15 17:54:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F44215CC81C; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B5FF85901; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id cCsHhv0XpsAGkcCsJhIrnf; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 11:54:01 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=WeVylHpX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dq6fvYVFJ5YA:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=SqGcpRa2IwIEkWgRwgAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8257512D4; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x5FHrukV006186; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:53:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x5FHrsb5006183; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201906151753.x5FHrsb5006183@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Piotr Kubaj cc: Cy Schubert , Alexey Dokuchaev , Mark Linimon , Gerald Pfeifer , ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r504198 - head/Mk In-Reply-To: Message from Piotr Kubaj of "Sat, 15 Jun 2019 18:47:03 +0200." <20190615164703.GB33091@ThinkPad-X200.g.anongoth.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:53:54 -0700 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIJwX7/9quDBBhgqxtD2Dv5pCTXUfzAKskeQP0R9KjPycBfpTn8Tl0ghdE0cSDPAII1X8Blo35kHYxASReZpZHmWbYUpFXtabPR+RhLRUcc3V1i8sdPs dmUOrWg+7+Jf/1pTE19+hdS+Fmd5XbW43ZfXs6vJgD9RugjCvfGlhTIJx4QfFg1w93r+bRPj1kG/ERm/c/ctOi3pf3xXrk36kzChCdfNdZW6lMiXaHK40ljl WrrCoa/WfGf+b8UQPVgJ+0EOgopEEKse7KyAfG6S4yulNRd2Iky0YaQyIYK38H8cNqMZIw0aNv6Yb51pywLSMKI+fjkDxKZ614f3UNvWG22HGUX1pGBSqWcL eVaVh16UceL84AJQ4TaJ3pp4FEs1cxlRWtALTWZ47JiRoyAR1c0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9B5FF85901 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.18 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.931,0]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[9.134.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-2.54)[ip: (-6.81), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-3.27), asn: 6327(-2.53), country: CA(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:54:10 -0000 I didn't say it wasn't being developed. If you re-read what I said, at *$JOB* we are retiring it. I suppose I should have been more clear. It's not Power specifically, it's AIX (which runs on Power). -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. In message <20190615164703.GB33091@ThinkPad-X200.g.anongoth.pl>, Piotr Kubaj wr ites: > > > --D7o1ScvGXX0ARfga > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Actually, POWER is actively develeped. > > There is POWER9 (released in 2017) and POWER10 is coming in next year. Ther= > e is a renewed interest in POWER platform with Raptor's boards that people = > use for desktops. > > There are also plans for POWER10-based laptop, so POWER is far from being d= > ead. > > On 19-06-15 09:33:39, Cy Schubert wrote: > >In message <20190615134332.GA32655@FreeBSD.org>, Alexey Dokuchaev > >writes: > >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 06:13:46AM +0000, Mark Linimon wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 05:58:22PM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > >> > > These old GCC releases are often the only working solution for ports > >> > > on sparc64/powerpc > >> > > >> > I'm not aware of the powerpc dependencies. Do you have a list? > >> > We are actively working on ports on powerpc (especially powerpc64). > >> > >> Actually, things look better on powerpc, last time I recall I was able > >> to successfully build gcc7 port for it. Typically I'd use earlier > >> versions because they take less tmpfs space and faster to build. > >> > >> > w/rt sparc64, I no longer consider sparc64 viable. There is too much > >> > pushback whenever I mention it. My development machines were powered > >> > down 1.5 years ago as I turned my attention primarily to powerpc64 > >> > and to some extent arm*. > >> > >> That's very sad. I've been fixing some BROKEN_sparc64 ports in the > >> early 2018 using QEMU. It was very slow, but worked fine overall. > >> I forgot exactly which FreeBSD version I was able to boot. > > > >You can thank Oracle for that. Sure the handwriting was on the wall, > >Oracle pretty much set the tone with the various decisions they've made > >regarding Sparc and Solaris. At $JOB the push retire Sparc is > >noticeable. One would think that they are being encouraged to replace > >Sparc (& PowerPC) with x86 on Linux but even that is being discouraged > >in favour of docker images using the Linux or Windows ABI. Sadly > >traditional platforms are a thing of the past, current platforms will > >soon be, to be replaced by layers of stubs. Not that I agree with it > >but it is an observation. > > > >Where this will end up is anybody's guess but the transformation is > >seismic. The gig economy plays into this as well, as witnessed how > >contracts for development of microservices are contracted out here. > > > > > >--=20 > >Cheers, > >Cy Schubert > >FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > > The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. > > > > > > > > > >--=20 > >This message has been scanned for viruses and > >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >believed to be clean. > > > > --D7o1ScvGXX0ARfga > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEycyIeNkkgohzsoorelmbhSCDnJ0FAl0FIQdfFIAAAAAALgAo > aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM5 > Q0M4ODc4RDkyNDgyODg3M0IyOEEyQjdBNTk5Qjg1MjA4MzlDOUQACgkQelmbhSCD > nJ2w5Q//VSzcLKy72kWhsNbaWyk4dag3xe5qkaxao3Acpa+17OXhBMjNuge4RsXY > eja97WWcjt1yKfPqXW479+25WGkUa+qKvevQUIofcHdmOVbKb10drel+OzdPUJy3 > I7mxPkhZZTwaJkRkNBX5ldF5JNZaaskCY2dq3L2TWMGJ9DLbupJN2ygvI173yY7p > PzJOtZBxmQcgXUkQyBYXdWz4J/E+v3TZ+MsJUun5xcdvYJ6ojDXAnLRJaZ7mxEE/ > qR+sBa6wlboQ7FAzjSQpbq/03ZTRVgw9mf6VO+GnP6pn799j/EzNgc1NnTkqjXCE > +vOeJwhrELZ4OBMFuUcZzaCsTHUFiK7f8TFHftyB8IxxFfPy9LPVfMMs2gpd4awc > NEOA5tKgmovUOXBJl0M3AegQFe0hm4ee1BvsrUq1VmddZSDqWLxkPbcIns4KNV2M > ZVZQAxufdtuCmtv/p8NCv6ra9r9Uw5IgkRFxU2WAOCc7OOp6KU+SUy0z3jE756tR > y6sEcV2D90qnsA10ws6DrjYz/zMf9UADouEfwcSZ+a64L0bGfhjCdd9XO6ckU/jf > P68DU2bbZAapXp2nCwmjEp6kqgo36zLvjNpoNA0fFKCR/pYOyeQ3MJHAX3gv1i3s > /1CLGI8tnazOSQGc6XTYbquSMb8wUGXhkIopyIVrAHB8l/z2hgk= > =S8ND > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --D7o1ScvGXX0ARfga--