From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 26 21: 0:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 111E737B405 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68078 invoked by uid 100); 27 Oct 2001 04:00:30 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15322.12637.939947.887493@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:00:29 -0500 To: Greg Lehey Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Course of law (was: Islam (was: Religions (was Re: helping victims of terror))) In-Reply-To: <20011024120609.F28396@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <1003617187.3bd1fba3d31ff@webmail.neomedia.it> <4.3.2.7.2.20011020213927.048a1780@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20011021172133.04293620@localhost> <200110231322.f9NDMTf21954@dungeon.home> <4.3.2.7.2.20011023103803.04978a90@localhost> <20011024093452.B28396@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011023200438.04daac60@localhost> <20011024114401.D28396@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011023203144.04dbca80@localhost> <20011024120609.F28396@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey types: > On Tuesday, 23 October 2001 at 20:32:26 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > > At 08:14 PM 10/23/2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > >> In the democracies of which I'm aware, there is a due course of > >> justice. It doesn't involve invading places and shooting first. > > > > Yes, it does -- in cases where it is warranted. > > You're dodging the subject. Anyway, you're also wrong. In the > democracies of which *I'm* aware, there is a due course of justice. > It doesn't involve invading places and shooting first. Any such > invasion is outside the law. If you can make me aware of any > democracy whose laws allow this, then you will be right. The United States of America's laws allow this. "Knockless warrants" are commonly issued in cases where the evidence is easily destroyed or armed resistance is expected. It's expected the officers will go in armed for such things. At which point, the rules regarding use of firepower by the police come into play. There are conditions under which an officer can shoot first. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message