From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 15:25:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7556416A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:25:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from corserv.corserv.com (tx-65-40-201-169.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.201.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A5C43D58 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:25:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from klyons@corserv.com) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cygni.corserv.com [192.168.1.3]) by corserv.corserv.com (8.12.11/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iACGShw7003831; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:28:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from klyons@corserv.com) Message-ID: <4194D4BC.3060103@corserv.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:20:28 -0600 From: Kevin Lyons User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Sommers References: <419406E5.6050902@corserv.com> <4194CA3E.4010601@gamersimpact.com> In-Reply-To: <4194CA3E.4010601@gamersimpact.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re; tcsh is not csh X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:25:01 -0000 Ryan Sommers wrote: > How many programs does this incompatability actually break? > Realistically? If it hasn't been a problem in the last 4 years it makes > me wonder if anyone is actually writing or using shell scripts written > for this. I think it is a mistake to say that just because this is the first time a complaint was make on hackers that this is the first time this has occured. The script I showed previously was pretty basic; easily capable of breaking many csh scripts. This is how it looks so far: OpenBSD - works NetBSD - works Irix 6.5 - works Sun OS - works HPUX - not tried yet AIX - not tried yet FreeBSD - does not work (they knew better and renamed tcsh csh rather than just calling a spade a spade, some commit bit vandal got a hair to rename parts of the world for the sake of mankind.) linux - not tried yet > I'm not opposed to adding a real csh to /bin, but if we're only adding > it to work around a minor incompatability that few if any programs rely > on I don't see it as being a necessity. And the microsoft mentality lives on. God help freebsd.