Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:16:58 -0700 From: " Mike Steinfeld" <mike@sprawlnet.com> To: "Michael Lucas" <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org> Cc: "stable" <stable@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies Message-ID: <002101bf1133$33e96000$3b51163f@freebsdbox.com.sprawlnet.co> References: <199910072120.RAA25826@blackhelicopters.org>
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Well i just have to let it out.
I was asking someone recently , " Is it just me, or Does there appear to be
alot if idiots ( Lack Of A More Creative Word ) attempting to run FreeBSD
Lately "?
I remember when i first installed Linux. I thought i was the Baddest mofo in
town. I mean What kind of crap is that ? After running Linux for awhile, i
got a job as a Sys Admin. I always heard so much about FreeBSD, I figured
this was my chance to see for myself.
I guess for me Linux is like the script kiddies play toy and FreeBSD is
for System adminstrators who are payed for performance and have found
FreeBSD to be the best solution by afar. This is my case.
Check the Vibe:
1) feeling out the newbies.
a) Check to make sure the Newbie does not wanna be the
elitest SK (Script Kiddie) in town.
b) If there seems like hope that the little SK wants to
actually learn something. (Be weary).
c) If your on IRC /whois the SK and see if he is in #warez or
#linux or the like.
d) If you followed a,b,c and everything seems O.K. it
probably is not. But, help SK anyway.
e) If the question pertains to PPP, Linux vs. FreeBSD or
nmap. Run VERY FAST erm. wait.
f) As a result of " e) " Do as you wish , Im sure no one will
care!
2) Handling the Newbie
a) Let go of your Linux SK grudge.
b) seriously folks let your altruistic ways prosper and maybe
cut him some slack.(whoah !)
c) If the newbie is in fact a "SK" and you know this. Point
his ass to back that thing up!
d) Take life a little less serious. If he/she is an ass.
Ignore the thread. Well, at least attempt to.
e) Play with the newbie intellectually like he was a ping
pong ball in a tournament.
f) Take a deep breath and hope for the best. ( If that works
let me know. )
3) Killing/Flaming the newbie.
a) Make sure this is all that is left to do. ( Choose wisely
Danielson. )
b) Get everyone to turn against this prankster, including
the bearded guy at the Bus stop.
c) Join a cult where computer users have grey suits and
sniff things to get by the day.
d) Just tell his mom. ( We all hate that )
4)Conclusion
a) As pathetic , simpleminded, and silly as all this sounds. I was raised
with repsect. ( Are your diapers on or off ).
b) Do we really need to carry on about some inconsistencies and
idiosyncratic behavior. ( consume bandwidth.)
c) Are we going to feed into the commercialised Linux movement. And pretend
that these bastards are going to get away with it. ( oops , anger
misplaced.)
d)Cant we all just get ( way to old to even say )
e) treat people the same way you would want to be treated. ( I love you
Grandma. )
people seriously.
make a valid attempt to stop being so ridiculous. ( to all that apply, and
the ones in denial ).
(Newbie, Ver 0.1.1-current)
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To: <dave@allunix.com>
Cc: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Roasting Newbies
> IMHO, tensions on the FreeBSD lists are running at their greatest
> level since... oh, I'd say mid-96, when I first subscribed to
> -questions.
>
> If a "FreeBSD newbies info page" will help, then I'm all for it. I
> don't see what sort of "ramifications" it could have, other than to
> (perhaps) reduce some of the stress all around.
>
> Everybody needs to take a chill pill. Perhaps this will help. If so,
> everybody wins. If not, the next person with a bright idea can try.
>
> As far as products like VMware go: the big market for FreeBSD is on
> the server end. That's where we've been for years. There's really
> very little desktop BSD, where VMWare's marketed. Why should a
> desktop software manufacturer port to a server OS? Besides, as you
> say, we're fairly close to being able to run VMWare for Linux
> ourselves.
>
> ==ml
>
> > Mr. Lucas,
> >
> > I think that you should concider the ramifications of posting that
> > particular how to doc on the web.
> >
> > After all why should the FreeBSD community be bothered by people
> > who are not intelligent enough to make sure that they are posting to
> > the right thread?
> >
> > Do we really care that companies like VMWare have no intention of
> > porting their commercial software to FreeBSD? After all it is fairly
> > easy to add that linux kernel to the BTX loader.
> >
> > I had the audacity to reply to a recent posting on stable in which I
> > stated that the disks which were shipped to me from Walnut Creek
> > were not bootable and that this might be related to the problems with
> > the iso image. Of course I was promptly flamed. One reader even
> > accused me of trying to install the alpha port on my i386 box.
> >
> > I do appreciate your noble efforts to help the people who, like myself
> > are not FreeBSD Guru's and could possibly get frustrated by the OS
> > by pointing them in the right direction instead of flaming them with
> > the famous but obscure "that is for questions"
> >
> >
> >
> >
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