From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 18 08:06:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9F316A4BF for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E68F43FCB for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 22489 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 15:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Sep 2003 15:06:44 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8IF6X6Y087958; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:06:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3F69644A.69CB5363@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Terry Lambert X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Michal Pasternak cc: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Sorry about sysinstall. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:06:46 -0000 On 18-Sep-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: >> This in no way prevents you from shipping your own installer CD which >> you describe in your documentation as the preferred method to install. >> >> Then, if the customer has problems installing FreeBSd using your >> installer, and comes to the project's mailing lists for help, they'll >> be told to either contact your customer support, or use the project's >> installer which you will have shipped as part of your product. >> >> Why is this so hard for you to understand? > > It's not hard for me to understand. > > It's just annoying. > > Do you see the similarities between some hypothetical person > with a third party FreeBSD installer that installs the same > damn FreeBS plus the same damn packages, and having some well > known FreeBSD problem biting them, being told to reinstall > "using the project's installer", because *somehow*, "it *must* > be the GUI version of sysintall that's biting them on the ass" > when the battery monitor in KDE fails to work with their > laptop? Try and find one instance on current, hackers, arch, etc. where someone reported a bug and someone else asked them which installer they used to install the box. > It's assinine to limit something because of a hypothetical > situation that could be engineered against anyway, but even > if it wasn't, will probably never occur. It's assinine to make bogus, unfounded statements about the developers on the mailing lists and their responses to bug reports. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/