From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 14 10:40:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A5916A405; Mon, 14 May 2007 10:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@FreeBSD.Org) Received: from mx1.ethionet.et (mx1.ethionet.et [213.55.64.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59CA13C458; Mon, 14 May 2007 10:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mtm@FreeBSD.Org) Received: from mx1.ethionet.et (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ethionet.et (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B9A4FE8; Mon, 14 May 2007 13:03:28 +0300 (EAT) Received: from rogue.navcom.lan (unknown [213.55.64.98])by mx1.ethionet.et ( Postfix) with SMTP id 82AF74FE9;Mon, 14 May 2007 13:03:24 +0300 (EAT) Received: by rogue.navcom.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001)id E162F12D8; Mon, 14 May 2007 13:12:24 +0300 (EAT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:12:24 +0300 From: Mike Makonnen To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20070514101224.GA2117@rogue.navcom.lan> References: <464464BB.3090100@freebsd.org> <20070511152646.g6n5r7k2tcw00ow4@ webmail.leidinger.net> <464476D3.3090001@freebsd.org> <4645173A.2040008@fre ebsd.org> <200 70512205110.U24765@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070512205110.U24765@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/7.0-CURRENT (i386) X-imss-version: 2.46 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:99.90000 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:3 C:2 M:2 S:3 R:2 (0.5000 0.5000) Cc: Kian Mohageri , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup (revisited) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:40:14 -0000 On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:53:05PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Sat, 12 May 2007, Kian Mohageri wrote: > > >On 5/11/07, Eric Anderson wrote: > > > >>Amazing - so far the patch has been downloaded by over 40 different > >>systems, but the *screenshots* have been viewed by over 500. Wow. I > >>never would have guessed. > >> > >>Still no complaints/comments/etc. Good I suppose.. > > > >I don't mean to be the Debbie Downer of the list, but I'm not crazy about > >the addition just because I like simplicity. I know it's off by default > >and all, but it reminds me a whole lot of linux startup (Gentoo, > >specifically, but I dont > > > >remember where this originated) and I'm more fond of FBSD's as it looks > >more > > > >professional. > > > >Obviously that's just my 2cents though and I'm not a developer, so you > >won't see me complain if it does get committed :) Just thought I'd > >comment since you were looking for feedback. > > Call me old-fashioned, but I actually preferred the much more abbreviated > rc output from before rc.d even. :-) We're not going back to hardware > devices where all the probed devices add up to fewer than 25 lines, I'm > sure, but when daemons generated 8-12 characters without a carriage return > each, there was a good chance you could still see the end of the kernel > messages by the time you got to login:, and I miss that. I don't object to > optional more complex output as long as that complexity is hidden away > neatly somewhere in rc.subr, and isn't on by default as shipped. I'd love > it if someone could restore the even shorter output we had before. I think this patch should be implemented in a more generic way so the user can decide what kind of output he/she wants. Maybe something along the lines of a top-level 'rc_outputs' with a list of output types, then each type would have its own knobs to control how it operates. From reading the rest of this thread I think we already have 3 candidates: quiet, normal, fancy. I'd be willing to work with anyone willing to work on this. Cheers. -- Mike Makonnen | GPG-KEY: http://people.freebsd.org/~mtm/mtm.asc mmakonnen @ gmail.com | AC7B 5672 2D11 F4D0 EBF8 5279 5359 2B82 7CD4 1F55 mtm @ FreeBSD.Org | FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org