From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Mon Apr 20 22:56:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438542B24F2 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 495hrx1lM0z4GdW; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:56:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.216] (cpe-23-243-162-239.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.162.239]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 9894103b (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: drm-i915kms + x11-intel eats out all of the ram and swap but not with x11-scfb To: Niclas Zeising , Alexey Dokuchaev , Jan Beich Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <19d0dbdc-f1ac-22f1-6934-076bb5733ab7@daemonic.se> <24c43065-527d-499b-282a-43df2a947a1d@gmail.com> <20200418024954.GB6251@FreeBSD.org> <1ab0b060-ee43-3e0d-4f9c-ebad1e92c57e@nomadlogic.org> <8bab0627-c7a2-8c8a-41d9-6e099afa1209@daemonic.se> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <50b6f48e-ef5e-3ac3-47f5-6e5ada288549@nomadlogic.org> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:56:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8bab0627-c7a2-8c8a-41d9-6e099afa1209@daemonic.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 495hrx1lM0z4GdW X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[239.162.243.23.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.78)[ip: (-9.25), ipnet: 174.136.96.0/20(-4.17), asn: 25795(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:56:34 -0000 On 4/17/20 11:57 PM, Niclas Zeising wrote: > On 2020-04-18 05:58, Pete Wright wrote: >> >> >> On 4/17/20 7:49 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 07:01:49PM +0200, Jan Beich wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Unlikely. modesetting reached "good enough" level while X11 is >>>> deprecated in favor of Wayland. >>> X11 is certainly not going anywhere as it mostly works just fine and no >>> replacement is needed.  You guys can play with Wayland or whatever the >>> next cool kid on the block is called as long as you wish but please let >>> it be your pain, not ours. >>> >>> Deprecating X11, huh.  That's preposterous! >> You should let the Xorg development team know your opinions on this >> topic.  the freebsd graphics team is trying to make sure that when >> upstream does make the cut over to wayland we are not left totally out. >> >> i would also say that *now* (well probably several years ago) is the >> time for us as a community to get engaged with wayland development. >> there are already lots of linux and systemd assumptions being made by >> their development efforts, so this is our opportunity to make sure >> our voices are heard before it's too late. > > The Freedesktop.org upstream (the ones responsible for xorg and > wayland) are aware of us, and quite helpful in getting FreeBSD > specific code in, so I'm not too worried there (as long as we bring > the code, at least). I'm more worried about the people making various > wayland compositors and wayland desktop environments though. thanks for the clarification here - that is def an important distinction i did not make. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA